I posted the reply from warren buffett on the above question. The key takeaway from his reply is that one should read a lot and invest your own money based on your ‘own’ ideas and analysis.
I will touch upon my approach to improve myself as an investor in this post.
I have been reading various investment related books, articles and annual reports for some time now. However my approach to it was disorganized and did not have any pattern to it. However in the last 2 years I have developed a plan to read with specific goals in mind.
I look at reading with two key objectives
1. Find new ideas (which are profitable)
2. Develop mental models to become a better investor (read this article from charlie munger on mental models)
I have broken the second objective into the following topics (related to investing)
Finance – topics such as Balance sheet, income statement, various ratios, analysis of these statements etc
Accounting – understand various accounting concepts and standards
Valuation
Competitive advantage and strategy
Probability and analysis of risk
Study of business models
Economics – mainly micro economics
Investing – value investing
Options, derivates and other financial instruments
I have better knowledge in some these areas relative to other topics. For example I have not read much on options and derivatives till date. Somehow I get put off by all the math in it (although I am engineer by background :) ).
So at the beginning of the year I try to assess myself on these areas and try to identify the specific areas on which I would focus. For ex: I am currently focussing on topic 4 – competitive advantage. I identify books for this topic and add it to the list of books I would be reading over the course of the year. I run through all the topics in this manner and try to come up with a tentative book list for the year. This is not a list set in stone. If I find a better book for the topic I am interested in, I end up replacing it with that book.
In addition to the above book list, I have also listed the industry groups I would be focussing on this year. Currently my focus is on pharma. I have shortlisted around 5-6 industry groups for the year (see my industry analysis spreadsheet here). To improve my knowledge in a particular industry (related to topic 6), I read up on the annual reports of some of the top few companies in the industry. In addition, I try to read up on industry reports if I can get access to them for free.
This industry group analysis activity helps me in increasing my circle of competence and also helps me in coming up with new investment idea. Finally as all knowledge in investing is cumulative, I can easily use this knowledge again later to come up with good investment ideas.
Finally I run valuation screens and if I can get some undervalued candidates, I read up on them. This is more haphazard as I may get candidates in industries which I have no prior knowledge. However it is a good starting point in those cases. If the candidate is in an industry in which I have done some prior study, then the analysis is faster.
The last step is – as they say on shampoo labels – rinse and repeat. That is I keep repeating the above process. Ofcourse the books, the topics and the industry groups keep changing, but the approach is the same. This approach has been helpful as it keeps me focussed on areas which i need to improve and also to enhance my circle of competence
An online diary of my investment philosophy based on the teachings of warren buffett, Ben graham, Phil fisher and other value investors. I post my thoughts and analysis of various companies and industries. My long term goal is to continue to beat the stock market by 5-8% per annum in a 3 year rolling cycle
Wednesday, May 09, 2007
How to be a better investor – My approach
I posted the reply from warren buffett on the above question. The key takeaway from his reply is that one should read a lot and invest your own money based on your ‘own’ ideas and analysis.
I will touch upon my approach to improve myself as an investor in this post.
I have been reading various investment related books, articles and annual reports for some time now. However my approach to it was disorganized and did not have any pattern to it. However in the last 2 years I have developed a plan to read with specific goals in mind.
I look at reading with two key objectives
1. Find new ideas (which are profitable)
2. Develop mental models to become a better investor (read this article from charlie munger on mental models)
I have broken the second objective into the following topics (related to investing)
Finance – topics such as Balance sheet, income statement, various ratios, analysis of these statements etc
Accounting – understand various accounting concepts and standards
Valuation
Competitive advantage and strategy
Probability and analysis of risk
Study of business models
Economics – mainly micro economics
Investing – value investing
Options, derivates and other financial instruments
I have better knowledge in some these areas relative to other topics. For example I have not read much on options and derivatives till date. Somehow I get put off by all the math in it (although I am engineer by background :) ).
So at the beginning of the year I try to assess myself on these areas and try to identify the specific areas on which I would focus. For ex: I am currently focussing on topic 4 – competitive advantage. I identify books for this topic and add it to the list of books I would be reading over the course of the year. I run through all the topics in this manner and try to come up with a tentative book list for the year. This is not a list set in stone. If I find a better book for the topic I am interested in, I end up replacing it with that book.
In addition to the above book list, I have also listed the industry groups I would be focussing on this year. Currently my focus is on pharma. I have shortlisted around 5-6 industry groups for the year (see my industry analysis spreadsheet here). To improve my knowledge in a particular industry (related to topic 6), I read up on the annual reports of some of the top few companies in the industry. In addition, I try to read up on industry reports if I can get access to them for free.
This industry group analysis activity helps me in increasing my circle of competence and also helps me in coming up with new investment idea. Finally as all knowledge in investing is cumulative, I can easily use this knowledge again later to come up with good investment ideas.
Finally I run valuation screens and if I can get some undervalued candidates, I read up on them. This is more haphazard as I may get candidates in industries which I have no prior knowledge. However it is a good starting point in those cases. If the candidate is in an industry in which I have done some prior study, then the analysis is faster.
The last step is – as they say on shampoo labels – rinse and repeat. That is I keep repeating the above process. Ofcourse the books, the topics and the industry groups keep changing, but the approach is the same. This approach has been helpful as it keeps me focussed on areas which i need to improve and also to enhance my circle of competence
I will touch upon my approach to improve myself as an investor in this post.
I have been reading various investment related books, articles and annual reports for some time now. However my approach to it was disorganized and did not have any pattern to it. However in the last 2 years I have developed a plan to read with specific goals in mind.
I look at reading with two key objectives
1. Find new ideas (which are profitable)
2. Develop mental models to become a better investor (read this article from charlie munger on mental models)
I have broken the second objective into the following topics (related to investing)
Finance – topics such as Balance sheet, income statement, various ratios, analysis of these statements etc
Accounting – understand various accounting concepts and standards
Valuation
Competitive advantage and strategy
Probability and analysis of risk
Study of business models
Economics – mainly micro economics
Investing – value investing
Options, derivates and other financial instruments
I have better knowledge in some these areas relative to other topics. For example I have not read much on options and derivatives till date. Somehow I get put off by all the math in it (although I am engineer by background :) ).
So at the beginning of the year I try to assess myself on these areas and try to identify the specific areas on which I would focus. For ex: I am currently focussing on topic 4 – competitive advantage. I identify books for this topic and add it to the list of books I would be reading over the course of the year. I run through all the topics in this manner and try to come up with a tentative book list for the year. This is not a list set in stone. If I find a better book for the topic I am interested in, I end up replacing it with that book.
In addition to the above book list, I have also listed the industry groups I would be focussing on this year. Currently my focus is on pharma. I have shortlisted around 5-6 industry groups for the year (see my industry analysis spreadsheet here). To improve my knowledge in a particular industry (related to topic 6), I read up on the annual reports of some of the top few companies in the industry. In addition, I try to read up on industry reports if I can get access to them for free.
This industry group analysis activity helps me in increasing my circle of competence and also helps me in coming up with new investment idea. Finally as all knowledge in investing is cumulative, I can easily use this knowledge again later to come up with good investment ideas.
Finally I run valuation screens and if I can get some undervalued candidates, I read up on them. This is more haphazard as I may get candidates in industries which I have no prior knowledge. However it is a good starting point in those cases. If the candidate is in an industry in which I have done some prior study, then the analysis is faster.
The last step is – as they say on shampoo labels – rinse and repeat. That is I keep repeating the above process. Ofcourse the books, the topics and the industry groups keep changing, but the approach is the same. This approach has been helpful as it keeps me focussed on areas which i need to improve and also to enhance my circle of competence
Monday, May 07, 2007
How to be a better investor – from Warren buffett and Charlie munger
Berkshire had their annual meeting on May 5th and 6th. During the Q&A session the following question was asked on how to become a better investor. I have read something similar from warren buffett earlier and could not resist posting the answer to the question again. The reply goes to the heart of becoming a better investor and I try to follow it in an effort to improve myself as an investor. Time will tell if I have been successful at it or not.
What is best way to a become better investor? Get an MBA, is it genetic, read more “Poor Charlie's Almanac”?
WB: Read everything you can. In my own case, by the time I was 10, I read every book in the Omaha Public Library that had to do with investing, and many I read twice. You just have to fill up your mind with competing thoughts and then sort them out as to what makes sense over time. And once you've done that, you ought to jump in the water. The difference between investing on paper and in real money is like the difference in just reading a romance novel and…doing something else. The earlier you start the better in terms of reading. I read a book at 19 that formed my framework ever since. What I'm doing today at 76 is running things in the same thought pattern that I got from a book at 19. Read, and then on small scale do some of it yourself.
CM: Sandy Gottesman, runs a large and successful investment operation. Notice his employment practices. When someone comes in to interview with Sandy, no matter his hage, Sandy asks, “what do you own and why do you own it?” And if you haven't been interested enough in the subject to know, you better go somewhere else.
WB: If you buy a farm, you'd say “I'm buying this because I expect it to produce 120 bushels per acre, etc…from your calculations, not based on what you saw on television that day or what a neighbor said. It should be the same thing with stock. Take a yellow pad, and say I'm going to buy GM for $18 billion, and here's why. And if you cant write a good essay on the subject, you have no business buying one share.
What is best way to a become better investor? Get an MBA, is it genetic, read more “Poor Charlie's Almanac”?
WB: Read everything you can. In my own case, by the time I was 10, I read every book in the Omaha Public Library that had to do with investing, and many I read twice. You just have to fill up your mind with competing thoughts and then sort them out as to what makes sense over time. And once you've done that, you ought to jump in the water. The difference between investing on paper and in real money is like the difference in just reading a romance novel and…doing something else. The earlier you start the better in terms of reading. I read a book at 19 that formed my framework ever since. What I'm doing today at 76 is running things in the same thought pattern that I got from a book at 19. Read, and then on small scale do some of it yourself.
CM: Sandy Gottesman, runs a large and successful investment operation. Notice his employment practices. When someone comes in to interview with Sandy, no matter his hage, Sandy asks, “what do you own and why do you own it?” And if you haven't been interested enough in the subject to know, you better go somewhere else.
WB: If you buy a farm, you'd say “I'm buying this because I expect it to produce 120 bushels per acre, etc…from your calculations, not based on what you saw on television that day or what a neighbor said. It should be the same thing with stock. Take a yellow pad, and say I'm going to buy GM for $18 billion, and here's why. And if you cant write a good essay on the subject, you have no business buying one share.
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Warren buffett
How to be a better investor – from Warren buffett and Charlie munger
Berkshire had their annual meeting on May 5th and 6th. During the Q&A session the following question was asked on how to become a better investor. I have read something similar from warren buffett earlier and could not resist posting the answer to the question again. The reply goes to the heart of becoming a better investor and I try to follow it in an effort to improve myself as an investor. Time will tell if I have been successful at it or not.
What is best way to a become better investor? Get an MBA, is it genetic, read more “Poor Charlie's Almanac”?
WB: Read everything you can. In my own case, by the time I was 10, I read every book in the Omaha Public Library that had to do with investing, and many I read twice. You just have to fill up your mind with competing thoughts and then sort them out as to what makes sense over time. And once you've done that, you ought to jump in the water. The difference between investing on paper and in real money is like the difference in just reading a romance novel and…doing something else. The earlier you start the better in terms of reading. I read a book at 19 that formed my framework ever since. What I'm doing today at 76 is running things in the same thought pattern that I got from a book at 19. Read, and then on small scale do some of it yourself.
CM: Sandy Gottesman, runs a large and successful investment operation. Notice his employment practices. When someone comes in to interview with Sandy, no matter his hage, Sandy asks, “what do you own and why do you own it?” And if you haven't been interested enough in the subject to know, you better go somewhere else.
WB: If you buy a farm, you'd say “I'm buying this because I expect it to produce 120 bushels per acre, etc…from your calculations, not based on what you saw on television that day or what a neighbor said. It should be the same thing with stock. Take a yellow pad, and say I'm going to buy GM for $18 billion, and here's why. And if you cant write a good essay on the subject, you have no business buying one share.
What is best way to a become better investor? Get an MBA, is it genetic, read more “Poor Charlie's Almanac”?
WB: Read everything you can. In my own case, by the time I was 10, I read every book in the Omaha Public Library that had to do with investing, and many I read twice. You just have to fill up your mind with competing thoughts and then sort them out as to what makes sense over time. And once you've done that, you ought to jump in the water. The difference between investing on paper and in real money is like the difference in just reading a romance novel and…doing something else. The earlier you start the better in terms of reading. I read a book at 19 that formed my framework ever since. What I'm doing today at 76 is running things in the same thought pattern that I got from a book at 19. Read, and then on small scale do some of it yourself.
CM: Sandy Gottesman, runs a large and successful investment operation. Notice his employment practices. When someone comes in to interview with Sandy, no matter his hage, Sandy asks, “what do you own and why do you own it?” And if you haven't been interested enough in the subject to know, you better go somewhere else.
WB: If you buy a farm, you'd say “I'm buying this because I expect it to produce 120 bushels per acre, etc…from your calculations, not based on what you saw on television that day or what a neighbor said. It should be the same thing with stock. Take a yellow pad, and say I'm going to buy GM for $18 billion, and here's why. And if you cant write a good essay on the subject, you have no business buying one share.
Labels:
Charlie munger,
Investing Philosophy,
Warren buffett
Saturday, May 05, 2007
My approach to selecting equity based funds
My previous post was on my roller coaster ride with mutual funds. I have hopefully learnt from my mistakes and used this learning to develop an approach to selecting and investing in mutual funds. It is not an original or path breaking approach in itself. However it works well for me (based on my personal risk and return preferences).
My expectations from my mutual fund portfolio is around 3-4% extra returns over and above the market returns (including the index funds in the portfolio) net of expenses. I consider this level of additional returns to be quite fair considering the low amount of effort and time involved in managing a mutual fund portfolio.
I have now developed the following approach to select mutual funds. In addition, this is an evolving approach
1. Invest in diversified equity funds with a long history of performance. I typically do not invest in funds with less than 5 years of performance history. The fund should have outperformed the relevant index by 3-4% during the period (net of expenses)
My expectations from my mutual fund portfolio is around 3-4% extra returns over and above the market returns (including the index funds in the portfolio) net of expenses. I consider this level of additional returns to be quite fair considering the low amount of effort and time involved in managing a mutual fund portfolio.
I have now developed the following approach to select mutual funds. In addition, this is an evolving approach
1. Invest in diversified equity funds with a long history of performance. I typically do not invest in funds with less than 5 years of performance history. The fund should have outperformed the relevant index by 3-4% during the period (net of expenses)
2.Analyse the performance of the fund over one bull and one bear market cycle. This ensures that I am able to see how the fund performed during the bear market and what kind of risk the fund manager was taking during the bull market. There are a lot of fund managers who will ride the latest fad, gather assets and then when the fad passes, the fund would tank completely. I try to avoid such fly by night jokers.
3.Select funds which have beaten the market returns by 3-4 % per annum for the last 5 or more years. Why invest in a fund which cannot outperform the market over the long run and pay fees for that?
4.Check the expense ratios and turnover for the fund. Unfortunately most of the funds in India over charge and only a few have the performance to justify such steep charges. I agree on this with the comments on my earlier posts. I try to select a fund with the lowest expense ratio as far as possible.
5.Check the following additional parameters for a fund. (http://www.valueresearchonline.com/ is a good website for that. It gives a fund summary for most of the top mutual funds)
a.Total asset under management – Should be more than 500 crs.
b.Fund alpha – this indicates the level of outperformance of the fund based on the risk taken by the fund
c.Fund beta, sharpe ratio, standard deviation etc
d.Mutual fund manager profile – how long has the manager been with the fund. Is it a new manager and hence the past performance not indicative of the future performance?. I also try to read interviews of the manager if I can get access to it.
Based on the above broad selection criteria, I have ended up with around 4-5 funds most of the time. After investing with these funds, I tend to check the performance once or twice a year.
a.Total asset under management – Should be more than 500 crs.
b.Fund alpha – this indicates the level of outperformance of the fund based on the risk taken by the fund
c.Fund beta, sharpe ratio, standard deviation etc
d.Mutual fund manager profile – how long has the manager been with the fund. Is it a new manager and hence the past performance not indicative of the future performance?. I also try to read interviews of the manager if I can get access to it.
Based on the above broad selection criteria, I have ended up with around 4-5 funds most of the time. After investing with these funds, I tend to check the performance once or twice a year.
My approach to selecting equity based funds
My previous post was on my roller coaster ride with mutual funds. I have hopefully learnt from my mistakes and used this learning to develop an approach to selecting and investing in mutual funds. It is not an original or path breaking approach in itself. However it works well for me (based on my personal risk and return preferences).
My expectations from my mutual fund portfolio is around 3-4% extra returns over and above the market returns (including the index funds in the portfolio) net of expenses. I consider this level of additional returns to be quite fair considering the low amount of effort and time involved in managing a mutual fund portfolio.
I have now developed the following approach to select mutual funds. In addition, this is an evolving approach
1. Invest in diversified equity funds with a long history of performance. I typically do not invest in funds with less than 5 years of performance history. The fund should have outperformed the relevant index by 3-4% during the period (net of expenses)
My expectations from my mutual fund portfolio is around 3-4% extra returns over and above the market returns (including the index funds in the portfolio) net of expenses. I consider this level of additional returns to be quite fair considering the low amount of effort and time involved in managing a mutual fund portfolio.
I have now developed the following approach to select mutual funds. In addition, this is an evolving approach
1. Invest in diversified equity funds with a long history of performance. I typically do not invest in funds with less than 5 years of performance history. The fund should have outperformed the relevant index by 3-4% during the period (net of expenses)
2.Analyse the performance of the fund over one bull and one bear market cycle. This ensures that I am able to see how the fund performed during the bear market and what kind of risk the fund manager was taking during the bull market. There are a lot of fund managers who will ride the latest fad, gather assets and then when the fad passes, the fund would tank completely. I try to avoid such fly by night jokers.
3.Select funds which have beaten the market returns by 3-4 % per annum for the last 5 or more years. Why invest in a fund which cannot outperform the market over the long run and pay fees for that?
4.Check the expense ratios and turnover for the fund. Unfortunately most of the funds in India over charge and only a few have the performance to justify such steep charges. I agree on this with the comments on my earlier posts. I try to select a fund with the lowest expense ratio as far as possible.
5.Check the following additional parameters for a fund. (http://www.valueresearchonline.com/ is a good website for that. It gives a fund summary for most of the top mutual funds)
a.Total asset under management – Should be more than 500 crs.
b.Fund alpha – this indicates the level of outperformance of the fund based on the risk taken by the fund
c.Fund beta, sharpe ratio, standard deviation etc
d.Mutual fund manager profile – how long has the manager been with the fund. Is it a new manager and hence the past performance not indicative of the future performance?. I also try to read interviews of the manager if I can get access to it.
Based on the above broad selection criteria, I have ended up with around 4-5 funds most of the time. After investing with these funds, I tend to check the performance once or twice a year.
a.Total asset under management – Should be more than 500 crs.
b.Fund alpha – this indicates the level of outperformance of the fund based on the risk taken by the fund
c.Fund beta, sharpe ratio, standard deviation etc
d.Mutual fund manager profile – how long has the manager been with the fund. Is it a new manager and hence the past performance not indicative of the future performance?. I also try to read interviews of the manager if I can get access to it.
Based on the above broad selection criteria, I have ended up with around 4-5 funds most of the time. After investing with these funds, I tend to check the performance once or twice a year.
Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Why invest in mutual funds if you can pick stocks
I got the following comment on my previous post and thought of putting my response to it in a post as I think it would help in putting my approach and thoughts on mutual fund investing in perspective.
"Low risk, low gain" is fundamental philosophy found true in every walk of life. I am surprised Why people like you, who can take risk after calculated move on the stock market, purchase mutual fund by paying hefty fee to suited gentlemen who musroom on CNBC and other TV channel giving alwyas buy advice in the time of Market going up and up? Find them when the market goes down......They will vanish.
Its my feeling that Mutual Fund is for those gullible masses who wants return on their capital but have no knowledge of stock market .Not like people like you, because why take risk on somebody feeling when you can take for yourself? That too by paying astronomical fee .
I do not agree with the above comment in entirety. True, there are several mutual funds which end up serving the asset management companies and their managers. A lot of these guys are just airheads who come on CNBC and other channels and spout useless drivel. Frankly I rarely watch these channels, they are at best a distraction and noise and just a form of entertainment. However, I would not sweep all the mutual funds with the same brush.
I consider mutual funds to be an important component of my portfolio in addition to stocks and other forms of investments. The reasons are as follows
- Low cost mutual funds with a good, consistent history are a good way of investing in the market and getting above market returns (the low cost and consistent history part is crucial). By selecting a mutual funds based on specific criteria (which I will post shortly), I can try to avoid the type of risks mentioned in the comment above.
- Mutual funds serve as a good benchmark for my portfolio. If my equity portfolio (stocks only) does not beat my mutual fund portfolio (net returns), then I am better off putting my money in well chosen mutual funds and not wasting time in picking stocks myself. In the end, investing is about the risk taken and the returns I get for it. I don’t define risk as volatility or loss of capital alone. Time spent on picking stock is also an investment for me and I see no reason to invest in stocks myself if my equity portfolio does not beat my mutual fund portfolio
- Mutual funds and ETF’s are also a quicker way of getting decent returns. I may not get the same returns as I would by picking stocks on my own, but I also end up spending considerably less time. This I say from experience.
I do not look at stock versus mutual fund investing. On the contrary for me it is stock and mutual fund investing.
Stock investing may give me higher returns, however I have to spend considerably more time on it. For every 10 stocks I analyse, I end up buying 1-2 stocks at best. Mutual funds may provide me lower returns, but I also end up spending much lesser time in selecting and tracking them on a regular basis. So in the end the returns I get compare fairly with the time and effort I spent on it. Investing for me is still a part time thing and not a profession (yet)
"Low risk, low gain" is fundamental philosophy found true in every walk of life. I am surprised Why people like you, who can take risk after calculated move on the stock market, purchase mutual fund by paying hefty fee to suited gentlemen who musroom on CNBC and other TV channel giving alwyas buy advice in the time of Market going up and up? Find them when the market goes down......They will vanish.
Its my feeling that Mutual Fund is for those gullible masses who wants return on their capital but have no knowledge of stock market .Not like people like you, because why take risk on somebody feeling when you can take for yourself? That too by paying astronomical fee .
I do not agree with the above comment in entirety. True, there are several mutual funds which end up serving the asset management companies and their managers. A lot of these guys are just airheads who come on CNBC and other channels and spout useless drivel. Frankly I rarely watch these channels, they are at best a distraction and noise and just a form of entertainment. However, I would not sweep all the mutual funds with the same brush.
I consider mutual funds to be an important component of my portfolio in addition to stocks and other forms of investments. The reasons are as follows
- Low cost mutual funds with a good, consistent history are a good way of investing in the market and getting above market returns (the low cost and consistent history part is crucial). By selecting a mutual funds based on specific criteria (which I will post shortly), I can try to avoid the type of risks mentioned in the comment above.
- Mutual funds serve as a good benchmark for my portfolio. If my equity portfolio (stocks only) does not beat my mutual fund portfolio (net returns), then I am better off putting my money in well chosen mutual funds and not wasting time in picking stocks myself. In the end, investing is about the risk taken and the returns I get for it. I don’t define risk as volatility or loss of capital alone. Time spent on picking stock is also an investment for me and I see no reason to invest in stocks myself if my equity portfolio does not beat my mutual fund portfolio
- Mutual funds and ETF’s are also a quicker way of getting decent returns. I may not get the same returns as I would by picking stocks on my own, but I also end up spending considerably less time. This I say from experience.
I do not look at stock versus mutual fund investing. On the contrary for me it is stock and mutual fund investing.
Stock investing may give me higher returns, however I have to spend considerably more time on it. For every 10 stocks I analyse, I end up buying 1-2 stocks at best. Mutual funds may provide me lower returns, but I also end up spending much lesser time in selecting and tracking them on a regular basis. So in the end the returns I get compare fairly with the time and effort I spent on it. Investing for me is still a part time thing and not a profession (yet)
Why invest in mutual funds if you can pick stocks
I got the following comment on my previous post and thought of putting my response to it in a post as I think it would help in putting my approach and thoughts on mutual fund investing in perspective.
"Low risk, low gain" is fundamental philosophy found true in every walk of life. I am surprised Why people like you, who can take risk after calculated move on the stock market, purchase mutual fund by paying hefty fee to suited gentlemen who musroom on CNBC and other TV channel giving alwyas buy advice in the time of Market going up and up? Find them when the market goes down......They will vanish.
Its my feeling that Mutual Fund is for those gullible masses who wants return on their capital but have no knowledge of stock market .Not like people like you, because why take risk on somebody feeling when you can take for yourself? That too by paying astronomical fee .
I do not agree with the above comment in entirety. True, there are several mutual funds which end up serving the asset management companies and their managers. A lot of these guys are just airheads who come on CNBC and other channels and spout useless drivel. Frankly I rarely watch these channels, they are at best a distraction and noise and just a form of entertainment. However, I would not sweep all the mutual funds with the same brush.
I consider mutual funds to be an important component of my portfolio in addition to stocks and other forms of investments. The reasons are as follows
- Low cost mutual funds with a good, consistent history are a good way of investing in the market and getting above market returns (the low cost and consistent history part is crucial). By selecting a mutual funds based on specific criteria (which I will post shortly), I can try to avoid the type of risks mentioned in the comment above.
- Mutual funds serve as a good benchmark for my portfolio. If my equity portfolio (stocks only) does not beat my mutual fund portfolio (net returns), then I am better off putting my money in well chosen mutual funds and not wasting time in picking stocks myself. In the end, investing is about the risk taken and the returns I get for it. I don’t define risk as volatility or loss of capital alone. Time spent on picking stock is also an investment for me and I see no reason to invest in stocks myself if my equity portfolio does not beat my mutual fund portfolio
- Mutual funds and ETF’s are also a quicker way of getting decent returns. I may not get the same returns as I would by picking stocks on my own, but I also end up spending considerably less time. This I say from experience.
I do not look at stock versus mutual fund investing. On the contrary for me it is stock and mutual fund investing.
Stock investing may give me higher returns, however I have to spend considerably more time on it. For every 10 stocks I analyse, I end up buying 1-2 stocks at best. Mutual funds may provide me lower returns, but I also end up spending much lesser time in selecting and tracking them on a regular basis. So in the end the returns I get compare fairly with the time and effort I spent on it. Investing for me is still a part time thing and not a profession (yet)
"Low risk, low gain" is fundamental philosophy found true in every walk of life. I am surprised Why people like you, who can take risk after calculated move on the stock market, purchase mutual fund by paying hefty fee to suited gentlemen who musroom on CNBC and other TV channel giving alwyas buy advice in the time of Market going up and up? Find them when the market goes down......They will vanish.
Its my feeling that Mutual Fund is for those gullible masses who wants return on their capital but have no knowledge of stock market .Not like people like you, because why take risk on somebody feeling when you can take for yourself? That too by paying astronomical fee .
I do not agree with the above comment in entirety. True, there are several mutual funds which end up serving the asset management companies and their managers. A lot of these guys are just airheads who come on CNBC and other channels and spout useless drivel. Frankly I rarely watch these channels, they are at best a distraction and noise and just a form of entertainment. However, I would not sweep all the mutual funds with the same brush.
I consider mutual funds to be an important component of my portfolio in addition to stocks and other forms of investments. The reasons are as follows
- Low cost mutual funds with a good, consistent history are a good way of investing in the market and getting above market returns (the low cost and consistent history part is crucial). By selecting a mutual funds based on specific criteria (which I will post shortly), I can try to avoid the type of risks mentioned in the comment above.
- Mutual funds serve as a good benchmark for my portfolio. If my equity portfolio (stocks only) does not beat my mutual fund portfolio (net returns), then I am better off putting my money in well chosen mutual funds and not wasting time in picking stocks myself. In the end, investing is about the risk taken and the returns I get for it. I don’t define risk as volatility or loss of capital alone. Time spent on picking stock is also an investment for me and I see no reason to invest in stocks myself if my equity portfolio does not beat my mutual fund portfolio
- Mutual funds and ETF’s are also a quicker way of getting decent returns. I may not get the same returns as I would by picking stocks on my own, but I also end up spending considerably less time. This I say from experience.
I do not look at stock versus mutual fund investing. On the contrary for me it is stock and mutual fund investing.
Stock investing may give me higher returns, however I have to spend considerably more time on it. For every 10 stocks I analyse, I end up buying 1-2 stocks at best. Mutual funds may provide me lower returns, but I also end up spending much lesser time in selecting and tracking them on a regular basis. So in the end the returns I get compare fairly with the time and effort I spent on it. Investing for me is still a part time thing and not a profession (yet)
Tuesday, May 01, 2007
My experience with Equity mutual funds
As I write this post, I have been investing in mutual funds for over 8-9 years. This is a post to show the experiences I have had with mutual funds and learnings from my mistakes and sucesses. So it is not a showpiece of my brilliance or of my stupidities (of which you will find more of in the narrative). It is just a gist of my experience and learnings
1999-2000: Time of confidence and on top of the world
It is mid 1999. I had already dabbled a bit in mutual funds. I had invested a small amount in UTI-Mplus 91 in 1995 at a discount to NAV (it was a closed ended fund then). The discount had closed and I had made over 20% per annum and was feeling more confident of investing in mutual funds. Also I had moved out of Unit 64 scheme in 1998 after I had read a few adverse reports about it and managed to avoid the losses.
So here I am in 1999, feeling confident and having a little bit of cash in my pocket. Towards the end of 1999 (right a the start of the bull run) I started investing in mutual funds (yes, got the timing right!)
This was my list of mutual funds at that time
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance buy india fund
DSP meryll lynch opportunities fund
Kotak MNC fund
Kothari pioneer fund balanced and Internet opportunities fund
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
So I was heavily invested in IT funds. Considering that I was in mutual funds and spread across several of them, I incorrectly assumed that I had diversified the risk.
2001-2002: What was I thinking ?!!
The tech carnage started in mid 2000 and several of my funds lost 80-90% of the value. The saving grace were the non IT funds. But those funds lost more than the index as they were also heavily wieghted in IT. So the herd mentality affects everyone at the same time.
Although it was easy to blame the mutual funds and their aggressive marketing (they advertised 100% gains for 3 month periods), I realised it was my greed and faulty logic which was the reason for my losses.
I had been reading buffett and other value investors since 1998 and was a firm believer in value investing, but allowed myself to be carried away by euphoria and greed.
By the end of 2002, my mutual fund portfolio was down 25% and I had already exited from several tech funds and moved into diversified funds.
My fund summary by the end of 2002 was as follows
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance equity fund
DSP meryll lynch opp fund
Zurich equity (now HDFC equity)
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
Pioneer ITI index fund
So as you can see, I had started moving out of tech funds and into index funds.
A few learnings
- avoid sector funds. If you want to invest in a sector, find some good stocks in that sector. Sector funds don’t diversify risk, only concentrate them
- A good portion of funds should be kept in low cost index funds. You are garunteed market returns in the case of index funds.
- Diversified equity funds are the best option as these funds allow the mutual fund manager the maximum flexibility, unlike the sector fund where the manager and the investor are stuck in the same sector even when the sector is sinking.
2002-2004: Fixing the portfolio
With the above learnings in mind, I took my losses and moved into diversified equity funds. I chose funds which had demonstrated long term outperformance.
My portfolio looked like this by 2004.
Alliance equity fund
Reliance vision
DSP meryll
Franklin templeton – Blue chip growth and Dividend
Templeton india growth fund
Prudential ICICI growth (switch from tech fund)
HDFC equity
Rest was index funds and Nifty BEES.
My portfolio by this time reflected the following approach
- reduce the number of funds in the portfolio. More funds do not provide diversification, they just reduce the reduce the return without reducing the risk
- Select funds with low expenses and a long term performance history
- Prefer diversified equity funds over sector and promotional funds (like an MNC fund or similar idea based funds).
2004-2007: Doing nothing (and reaping the rewards)
During this period my fundamental approach did not change drastically. I have kind of fine tuned a few aspects of my mutual fund approach, but the broad approach has remained the same and has worked quite well
A few changes during this period have been
- reduction of the number of mutual funds and consolidation into fewer high quality funds
- Regular investing through a Systematic investment plan, barring when I feel the market is extremely high
- Limit the total number of mutual funds to 4-5 at best and re-invest additional money in the same funds.
The net result of the above journey from the year 2000 to 2007 has been a net performance of around 23% per annum , which would be around 5-6% more than the market returns.
Next post : My approach to selecting mutual funds
1999-2000: Time of confidence and on top of the world
It is mid 1999. I had already dabbled a bit in mutual funds. I had invested a small amount in UTI-Mplus 91 in 1995 at a discount to NAV (it was a closed ended fund then). The discount had closed and I had made over 20% per annum and was feeling more confident of investing in mutual funds. Also I had moved out of Unit 64 scheme in 1998 after I had read a few adverse reports about it and managed to avoid the losses.
So here I am in 1999, feeling confident and having a little bit of cash in my pocket. Towards the end of 1999 (right a the start of the bull run) I started investing in mutual funds (yes, got the timing right!)
This was my list of mutual funds at that time
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance buy india fund
DSP meryll lynch opportunities fund
Kotak MNC fund
Kothari pioneer fund balanced and Internet opportunities fund
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
So I was heavily invested in IT funds. Considering that I was in mutual funds and spread across several of them, I incorrectly assumed that I had diversified the risk.
2001-2002: What was I thinking ?!!
The tech carnage started in mid 2000 and several of my funds lost 80-90% of the value. The saving grace were the non IT funds. But those funds lost more than the index as they were also heavily wieghted in IT. So the herd mentality affects everyone at the same time.
Although it was easy to blame the mutual funds and their aggressive marketing (they advertised 100% gains for 3 month periods), I realised it was my greed and faulty logic which was the reason for my losses.
I had been reading buffett and other value investors since 1998 and was a firm believer in value investing, but allowed myself to be carried away by euphoria and greed.
By the end of 2002, my mutual fund portfolio was down 25% and I had already exited from several tech funds and moved into diversified funds.
My fund summary by the end of 2002 was as follows
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance equity fund
DSP meryll lynch opp fund
Zurich equity (now HDFC equity)
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
Pioneer ITI index fund
So as you can see, I had started moving out of tech funds and into index funds.
A few learnings
- avoid sector funds. If you want to invest in a sector, find some good stocks in that sector. Sector funds don’t diversify risk, only concentrate them
- A good portion of funds should be kept in low cost index funds. You are garunteed market returns in the case of index funds.
- Diversified equity funds are the best option as these funds allow the mutual fund manager the maximum flexibility, unlike the sector fund where the manager and the investor are stuck in the same sector even when the sector is sinking.
2002-2004: Fixing the portfolio
With the above learnings in mind, I took my losses and moved into diversified equity funds. I chose funds which had demonstrated long term outperformance.
My portfolio looked like this by 2004.
Alliance equity fund
Reliance vision
DSP meryll
Franklin templeton – Blue chip growth and Dividend
Templeton india growth fund
Prudential ICICI growth (switch from tech fund)
HDFC equity
Rest was index funds and Nifty BEES.
My portfolio by this time reflected the following approach
- reduce the number of funds in the portfolio. More funds do not provide diversification, they just reduce the reduce the return without reducing the risk
- Select funds with low expenses and a long term performance history
- Prefer diversified equity funds over sector and promotional funds (like an MNC fund or similar idea based funds).
2004-2007: Doing nothing (and reaping the rewards)
During this period my fundamental approach did not change drastically. I have kind of fine tuned a few aspects of my mutual fund approach, but the broad approach has remained the same and has worked quite well
A few changes during this period have been
- reduction of the number of mutual funds and consolidation into fewer high quality funds
- Regular investing through a Systematic investment plan, barring when I feel the market is extremely high
- Limit the total number of mutual funds to 4-5 at best and re-invest additional money in the same funds.
The net result of the above journey from the year 2000 to 2007 has been a net performance of around 23% per annum , which would be around 5-6% more than the market returns.
Next post : My approach to selecting mutual funds
My experience with Equity mutual funds
As I write this post, I have been investing in mutual funds for over 8-9 years. This is a post to show the experiences I have had with mutual funds and learnings from my mistakes and sucesses. So it is not a showpiece of my brilliance or of my stupidities (of which you will find more of in the narrative). It is just a gist of my experience and learnings
1999-2000: Time of confidence and on top of the world
It is mid 1999. I had already dabbled a bit in mutual funds. I had invested a small amount in UTI-Mplus 91 in 1995 at a discount to NAV (it was a closed ended fund then). The discount had closed and I had made over 20% per annum and was feeling more confident of investing in mutual funds. Also I had moved out of Unit 64 scheme in 1998 after I had read a few adverse reports about it and managed to avoid the losses.
So here I am in 1999, feeling confident and having a little bit of cash in my pocket. Towards the end of 1999 (right a the start of the bull run) I started investing in mutual funds (yes, got the timing right!)
This was my list of mutual funds at that time
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance buy india fund
DSP meryll lynch opportunities fund
Kotak MNC fund
Kothari pioneer fund balanced and Internet opportunities fund
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
So I was heavily invested in IT funds. Considering that I was in mutual funds and spread across several of them, I incorrectly assumed that I had diversified the risk.
2001-2002: What was I thinking ?!!
The tech carnage started in mid 2000 and several of my funds lost 80-90% of the value. The saving grace were the non IT funds. But those funds lost more than the index as they were also heavily wieghted in IT. So the herd mentality affects everyone at the same time.
Although it was easy to blame the mutual funds and their aggressive marketing (they advertised 100% gains for 3 month periods), I realised it was my greed and faulty logic which was the reason for my losses.
I had been reading buffett and other value investors since 1998 and was a firm believer in value investing, but allowed myself to be carried away by euphoria and greed.
By the end of 2002, my mutual fund portfolio was down 25% and I had already exited from several tech funds and moved into diversified funds.
My fund summary by the end of 2002 was as follows
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance equity fund
DSP meryll lynch opp fund
Zurich equity (now HDFC equity)
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
Pioneer ITI index fund
So as you can see, I had started moving out of tech funds and into index funds.
A few learnings
- avoid sector funds. If you want to invest in a sector, find some good stocks in that sector. Sector funds don’t diversify risk, only concentrate them
- A good portion of funds should be kept in low cost index funds. You are garunteed market returns in the case of index funds.
- Diversified equity funds are the best option as these funds allow the mutual fund manager the maximum flexibility, unlike the sector fund where the manager and the investor are stuck in the same sector even when the sector is sinking.
2002-2004: Fixing the portfolio
With the above learnings in mind, I took my losses and moved into diversified equity funds. I chose funds which had demonstrated long term outperformance.
My portfolio looked like this by 2004.
Alliance equity fund
Reliance vision
DSP meryll
Franklin templeton – Blue chip growth and Dividend
Templeton india growth fund
Prudential ICICI growth (switch from tech fund)
HDFC equity
Rest was index funds and Nifty BEES.
My portfolio by this time reflected the following approach
- reduce the number of funds in the portfolio. More funds do not provide diversification, they just reduce the reduce the return without reducing the risk
- Select funds with low expenses and a long term performance history
- Prefer diversified equity funds over sector and promotional funds (like an MNC fund or similar idea based funds).
2004-2007: Doing nothing (and reaping the rewards)
During this period my fundamental approach did not change drastically. I have kind of fine tuned a few aspects of my mutual fund approach, but the broad approach has remained the same and has worked quite well
A few changes during this period have been
- reduction of the number of mutual funds and consolidation into fewer high quality funds
- Regular investing through a Systematic investment plan, barring when I feel the market is extremely high
- Limit the total number of mutual funds to 4-5 at best and re-invest additional money in the same funds.
The net result of the above journey from the year 2000 to 2007 has been a net performance of around 23% per annum , which would be around 5-6% more than the market returns.
Next post : My approach to selecting mutual funds
1999-2000: Time of confidence and on top of the world
It is mid 1999. I had already dabbled a bit in mutual funds. I had invested a small amount in UTI-Mplus 91 in 1995 at a discount to NAV (it was a closed ended fund then). The discount had closed and I had made over 20% per annum and was feeling more confident of investing in mutual funds. Also I had moved out of Unit 64 scheme in 1998 after I had read a few adverse reports about it and managed to avoid the losses.
So here I am in 1999, feeling confident and having a little bit of cash in my pocket. Towards the end of 1999 (right a the start of the bull run) I started investing in mutual funds (yes, got the timing right!)
This was my list of mutual funds at that time
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance buy india fund
DSP meryll lynch opportunities fund
Kotak MNC fund
Kothari pioneer fund balanced and Internet opportunities fund
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
So I was heavily invested in IT funds. Considering that I was in mutual funds and spread across several of them, I incorrectly assumed that I had diversified the risk.
2001-2002: What was I thinking ?!!
The tech carnage started in mid 2000 and several of my funds lost 80-90% of the value. The saving grace were the non IT funds. But those funds lost more than the index as they were also heavily wieghted in IT. So the herd mentality affects everyone at the same time.
Although it was easy to blame the mutual funds and their aggressive marketing (they advertised 100% gains for 3 month periods), I realised it was my greed and faulty logic which was the reason for my losses.
I had been reading buffett and other value investors since 1998 and was a firm believer in value investing, but allowed myself to be carried away by euphoria and greed.
By the end of 2002, my mutual fund portfolio was down 25% and I had already exited from several tech funds and moved into diversified funds.
My fund summary by the end of 2002 was as follows
Alliance new millennium fund
Alliance equity fund
DSP meryll lynch opp fund
Zurich equity (now HDFC equity)
Prudential ICICI tech fund
Alliance 95 fund
Franklin index fund
Pioneer ITI index fund
So as you can see, I had started moving out of tech funds and into index funds.
A few learnings
- avoid sector funds. If you want to invest in a sector, find some good stocks in that sector. Sector funds don’t diversify risk, only concentrate them
- A good portion of funds should be kept in low cost index funds. You are garunteed market returns in the case of index funds.
- Diversified equity funds are the best option as these funds allow the mutual fund manager the maximum flexibility, unlike the sector fund where the manager and the investor are stuck in the same sector even when the sector is sinking.
2002-2004: Fixing the portfolio
With the above learnings in mind, I took my losses and moved into diversified equity funds. I chose funds which had demonstrated long term outperformance.
My portfolio looked like this by 2004.
Alliance equity fund
Reliance vision
DSP meryll
Franklin templeton – Blue chip growth and Dividend
Templeton india growth fund
Prudential ICICI growth (switch from tech fund)
HDFC equity
Rest was index funds and Nifty BEES.
My portfolio by this time reflected the following approach
- reduce the number of funds in the portfolio. More funds do not provide diversification, they just reduce the reduce the return without reducing the risk
- Select funds with low expenses and a long term performance history
- Prefer diversified equity funds over sector and promotional funds (like an MNC fund or similar idea based funds).
2004-2007: Doing nothing (and reaping the rewards)
During this period my fundamental approach did not change drastically. I have kind of fine tuned a few aspects of my mutual fund approach, but the broad approach has remained the same and has worked quite well
A few changes during this period have been
- reduction of the number of mutual funds and consolidation into fewer high quality funds
- Regular investing through a Systematic investment plan, barring when I feel the market is extremely high
- Limit the total number of mutual funds to 4-5 at best and re-invest additional money in the same funds.
The net result of the above journey from the year 2000 to 2007 has been a net performance of around 23% per annum , which would be around 5-6% more than the market returns.
Next post : My approach to selecting mutual funds
Thursday, April 26, 2007
Fixed income investing
My blog and most of my posts refer to equity investments. I have once in a while posted on real estate. However fixed income investments are a fair percentage of my portfolio. The reason I don’t post much on fixed income investments is because there is not much I can do to generate extra returns in proportion to the time and effort I will have to spend on it.
The fixed income options available to me are
- Bank FD : this is almost a no brainer and the most passive form of investmtent. However I don’t chase returns blindly. I typically hold deposits in only the Top banks and avoid the second tier banks and co-operatives. The extra 1-2% return is not worth the risk. In addition, I tend to look at the capital adequacy ratio (CAR) and the NPA levels of the bank, before going ahead with the FD. The name or reputation of the bank alone is not sufficient. Typically the CAR levels of the bank should be above 8-9 % (TIER I) and NPA levels below 1-2 %.
- Company bonds : The next avenue for fixed income investing is company bonds. I have invested in company bonds and FD’s in the past when the interest rates were higher and it was possible for me to process the paperwork. However since 2000, partly due to the amount of paperwork involved then (there was no Demat for bonds) and due to the easy of investing in mutual funds , I stopped looking at company bonds and FD’s. Also due to the high profile failure of some of the companies and the losses incurred by the bondholders, I kind of lost interest in company FD’s and bonds. The key factors to look at when investing in such instruments is the interest coverage ratio ( PBIT/ Interest expense ) which should atleast be 4, Debt equity ratio for the company ( < 0.5 if possible) and debt rating by the rating agencies such as Crisil (invest in AAA or AA+ only).
- Mutual funds – fixed income: This is my favored avenue during a falling rate scenario and I tend to invest with well know mutual fund houses such as franklin templeton, DSP etc. At the time of investing in a debt mutual fund, I tend to look at the following factors
o Asset under management – avoid investing in funds with low level of asset as the expense ratios could be high.
o Fund expense – lower the better. Although the indian mutual fund industry typically gouges its customers and charges too high compared to the returns.
o Duration of fund – This is the average duration of the fund. A fund with longer duration will rise or fall more when interest rates change
o Fund rating – 80-90% of the fund holding should be in p1+ or AAA / AA+ securities.
o Long term performance of the fund versus the benchmark
- Mutual funds – floating rate funds : This is my favored approach in a rising rate scenario. In addition to all the factors for the fixed income mutual funds, I also tend to favor floaters with shorter duration.
- Post office : Nothing much to analyse in this option other than it was an attractive option a few years back when the Post office offered better rates than available in the market. Currently the 8-9% per annum for the 6 year duration is not attractive enough.
- FMP (fixed maturity plan) : I have just heard about it and have yet to understand about this investment option.
Finally in terms of tax effectiveness, debt based mutual funds are the most efficient as they are subject to long term tax rate after 1 year.
The fixed income options available to me are
- Bank FD : this is almost a no brainer and the most passive form of investmtent. However I don’t chase returns blindly. I typically hold deposits in only the Top banks and avoid the second tier banks and co-operatives. The extra 1-2% return is not worth the risk. In addition, I tend to look at the capital adequacy ratio (CAR) and the NPA levels of the bank, before going ahead with the FD. The name or reputation of the bank alone is not sufficient. Typically the CAR levels of the bank should be above 8-9 % (TIER I) and NPA levels below 1-2 %.
- Company bonds : The next avenue for fixed income investing is company bonds. I have invested in company bonds and FD’s in the past when the interest rates were higher and it was possible for me to process the paperwork. However since 2000, partly due to the amount of paperwork involved then (there was no Demat for bonds) and due to the easy of investing in mutual funds , I stopped looking at company bonds and FD’s. Also due to the high profile failure of some of the companies and the losses incurred by the bondholders, I kind of lost interest in company FD’s and bonds. The key factors to look at when investing in such instruments is the interest coverage ratio ( PBIT/ Interest expense ) which should atleast be 4, Debt equity ratio for the company ( < 0.5 if possible) and debt rating by the rating agencies such as Crisil (invest in AAA or AA+ only).
- Mutual funds – fixed income: This is my favored avenue during a falling rate scenario and I tend to invest with well know mutual fund houses such as franklin templeton, DSP etc. At the time of investing in a debt mutual fund, I tend to look at the following factors
o Asset under management – avoid investing in funds with low level of asset as the expense ratios could be high.
o Fund expense – lower the better. Although the indian mutual fund industry typically gouges its customers and charges too high compared to the returns.
o Duration of fund – This is the average duration of the fund. A fund with longer duration will rise or fall more when interest rates change
o Fund rating – 80-90% of the fund holding should be in p1+ or AAA / AA+ securities.
o Long term performance of the fund versus the benchmark
- Mutual funds – floating rate funds : This is my favored approach in a rising rate scenario. In addition to all the factors for the fixed income mutual funds, I also tend to favor floaters with shorter duration.
- Post office : Nothing much to analyse in this option other than it was an attractive option a few years back when the Post office offered better rates than available in the market. Currently the 8-9% per annum for the 6 year duration is not attractive enough.
- FMP (fixed maturity plan) : I have just heard about it and have yet to understand about this investment option.
Finally in terms of tax effectiveness, debt based mutual funds are the most efficient as they are subject to long term tax rate after 1 year.
Fixed income investing
My blog and most of my posts refer to equity investments. I have once in a while posted on real estate. However fixed income investments are a fair percentage of my portfolio. The reason I don’t post much on fixed income investments is because there is not much I can do to generate extra returns in proportion to the time and effort I will have to spend on it.
The fixed income options available to me are
- Bank FD : this is almost a no brainer and the most passive form of investmtent. However I don’t chase returns blindly. I typically hold deposits in only the Top banks and avoid the second tier banks and co-operatives. The extra 1-2% return is not worth the risk. In addition, I tend to look at the capital adequacy ratio (CAR) and the NPA levels of the bank, before going ahead with the FD. The name or reputation of the bank alone is not sufficient. Typically the CAR levels of the bank should be above 8-9 % (TIER I) and NPA levels below 1-2 %.
- Company bonds : The next avenue for fixed income investing is company bonds. I have invested in company bonds and FD’s in the past when the interest rates were higher and it was possible for me to process the paperwork. However since 2000, partly due to the amount of paperwork involved then (there was no Demat for bonds) and due to the easy of investing in mutual funds , I stopped looking at company bonds and FD’s. Also due to the high profile failure of some of the companies and the losses incurred by the bondholders, I kind of lost interest in company FD’s and bonds. The key factors to look at when investing in such instruments is the interest coverage ratio ( PBIT/ Interest expense ) which should atleast be 4, Debt equity ratio for the company ( < 0.5 if possible) and debt rating by the rating agencies such as Crisil (invest in AAA or AA+ only).
- Mutual funds – fixed income: This is my favored avenue during a falling rate scenario and I tend to invest with well know mutual fund houses such as franklin templeton, DSP etc. At the time of investing in a debt mutual fund, I tend to look at the following factors
o Asset under management – avoid investing in funds with low level of asset as the expense ratios could be high.
o Fund expense – lower the better. Although the indian mutual fund industry typically gouges its customers and charges too high compared to the returns.
o Duration of fund – This is the average duration of the fund. A fund with longer duration will rise or fall more when interest rates change
o Fund rating – 80-90% of the fund holding should be in p1+ or AAA / AA+ securities.
o Long term performance of the fund versus the benchmark
- Mutual funds – floating rate funds : This is my favored approach in a rising rate scenario. In addition to all the factors for the fixed income mutual funds, I also tend to favor floaters with shorter duration.
- Post office : Nothing much to analyse in this option other than it was an attractive option a few years back when the Post office offered better rates than available in the market. Currently the 8-9% per annum for the 6 year duration is not attractive enough.
- FMP (fixed maturity plan) : I have just heard about it and have yet to understand about this investment option.
Finally in terms of tax effectiveness, debt based mutual funds are the most efficient as they are subject to long term tax rate after 1 year.
The fixed income options available to me are
- Bank FD : this is almost a no brainer and the most passive form of investmtent. However I don’t chase returns blindly. I typically hold deposits in only the Top banks and avoid the second tier banks and co-operatives. The extra 1-2% return is not worth the risk. In addition, I tend to look at the capital adequacy ratio (CAR) and the NPA levels of the bank, before going ahead with the FD. The name or reputation of the bank alone is not sufficient. Typically the CAR levels of the bank should be above 8-9 % (TIER I) and NPA levels below 1-2 %.
- Company bonds : The next avenue for fixed income investing is company bonds. I have invested in company bonds and FD’s in the past when the interest rates were higher and it was possible for me to process the paperwork. However since 2000, partly due to the amount of paperwork involved then (there was no Demat for bonds) and due to the easy of investing in mutual funds , I stopped looking at company bonds and FD’s. Also due to the high profile failure of some of the companies and the losses incurred by the bondholders, I kind of lost interest in company FD’s and bonds. The key factors to look at when investing in such instruments is the interest coverage ratio ( PBIT/ Interest expense ) which should atleast be 4, Debt equity ratio for the company ( < 0.5 if possible) and debt rating by the rating agencies such as Crisil (invest in AAA or AA+ only).
- Mutual funds – fixed income: This is my favored avenue during a falling rate scenario and I tend to invest with well know mutual fund houses such as franklin templeton, DSP etc. At the time of investing in a debt mutual fund, I tend to look at the following factors
o Asset under management – avoid investing in funds with low level of asset as the expense ratios could be high.
o Fund expense – lower the better. Although the indian mutual fund industry typically gouges its customers and charges too high compared to the returns.
o Duration of fund – This is the average duration of the fund. A fund with longer duration will rise or fall more when interest rates change
o Fund rating – 80-90% of the fund holding should be in p1+ or AAA / AA+ securities.
o Long term performance of the fund versus the benchmark
- Mutual funds – floating rate funds : This is my favored approach in a rising rate scenario. In addition to all the factors for the fixed income mutual funds, I also tend to favor floaters with shorter duration.
- Post office : Nothing much to analyse in this option other than it was an attractive option a few years back when the Post office offered better rates than available in the market. Currently the 8-9% per annum for the 6 year duration is not attractive enough.
- FMP (fixed maturity plan) : I have just heard about it and have yet to understand about this investment option.
Finally in terms of tax effectiveness, debt based mutual funds are the most efficient as they are subject to long term tax rate after 1 year.
Monday, April 23, 2007
You can be a stock market genius – Recaps, stub stocks,warrants and options
The final section of the book starts with recaps. Under a recap, a company may decide to buy back stock from the investor via cash, bond or through preferred stock. Thus the proptional ownership of the investor remains the same. However the company doing the recap is able to create value for the investor. For example, a company is trading at 200 Rs per share. The company earns 20 Rs per share (post-tax). The company returns Rs 150 to the shareholder by raising debt. Post the recap, the company has say Rs 15 of interest expense. As a result the post tax earnings are now are Rs 11 share (assuming 40% tax rate). Even if the company continues to sell at 8 times earning, the net gain for the shareholder is now Rs 38.
The stock after the recap is called as a stub and an investor can benefit from buying such stub stocks after the announcement of the recap. The reason for this is that the stub is a leveraged position on the stock. As the company has high amount of debt, the equity value is depressed due to high leverage. As the company pays off debt, the earnings grow rapidy. Also the multiple could expand at the same time due to reduction in the risk. As a result a small improvement in the debt level can result in a large improvement of the stock price.
Recaps are rare (and even rarer in the indian markets). As stubs via re-caps are rare, the same result can be achieved through LEAPS (Long term equity anticipation security). Leaps are a form of long term call options on the company. They are a leverage call on the medium to long term performance of the company. For sake of an example, lets assume that the stock price of company is Rs 88 / share. The company is highly leveraged and I feel that the company should do well in the next 1-2 years. I could (theortically speaking) buy a LEAP at 50 Rs/ share. If the company does well and the stock goes to 150 Rs/ share in two years, my gain would be 300%. The downside is that if the stock goes below the strike price, then I lose my money completely. LEAPS are thus a leveraged bet on the performance of a company. However, I think the indian market does not have LEAP securities yet.
Warrants provide an alternative route to put in a leveraged bet on the performance of the company. Warrants however have an advantage that their duration is much longer than options and LEAPS. The book has specific examples on recaps and all the other specific arbitrage options like spin-offs, arbitrage, and merger securities.
For all the previous posts on the book
Introduction
Bankruptcy and restructuring
Arbitrage and merger securities
Spin-offs
The stock after the recap is called as a stub and an investor can benefit from buying such stub stocks after the announcement of the recap. The reason for this is that the stub is a leveraged position on the stock. As the company has high amount of debt, the equity value is depressed due to high leverage. As the company pays off debt, the earnings grow rapidy. Also the multiple could expand at the same time due to reduction in the risk. As a result a small improvement in the debt level can result in a large improvement of the stock price.
Recaps are rare (and even rarer in the indian markets). As stubs via re-caps are rare, the same result can be achieved through LEAPS (Long term equity anticipation security). Leaps are a form of long term call options on the company. They are a leverage call on the medium to long term performance of the company. For sake of an example, lets assume that the stock price of company is Rs 88 / share. The company is highly leveraged and I feel that the company should do well in the next 1-2 years. I could (theortically speaking) buy a LEAP at 50 Rs/ share. If the company does well and the stock goes to 150 Rs/ share in two years, my gain would be 300%. The downside is that if the stock goes below the strike price, then I lose my money completely. LEAPS are thus a leveraged bet on the performance of a company. However, I think the indian market does not have LEAP securities yet.
Warrants provide an alternative route to put in a leveraged bet on the performance of the company. Warrants however have an advantage that their duration is much longer than options and LEAPS. The book has specific examples on recaps and all the other specific arbitrage options like spin-offs, arbitrage, and merger securities.
For all the previous posts on the book
Introduction
Bankruptcy and restructuring
Arbitrage and merger securities
Spin-offs
You can be a stock market genius – Recaps, stub stocks,warrants and options
The final section of the book starts with recaps. Under a recap, a company may decide to buy back stock from the investor via cash, bond or through preferred stock. Thus the proptional ownership of the investor remains the same. However the company doing the recap is able to create value for the investor. For example, a company is trading at 200 Rs per share. The company earns 20 Rs per share (post-tax). The company returns Rs 150 to the shareholder by raising debt. Post the recap, the company has say Rs 15 of interest expense. As a result the post tax earnings are now are Rs 11 share (assuming 40% tax rate). Even if the company continues to sell at 8 times earning, the net gain for the shareholder is now Rs 38.
The stock after the recap is called as a stub and an investor can benefit from buying such stub stocks after the announcement of the recap. The reason for this is that the stub is a leveraged position on the stock. As the company has high amount of debt, the equity value is depressed due to high leverage. As the company pays off debt, the earnings grow rapidy. Also the multiple could expand at the same time due to reduction in the risk. As a result a small improvement in the debt level can result in a large improvement of the stock price.
Recaps are rare (and even rarer in the indian markets). As stubs via re-caps are rare, the same result can be achieved through LEAPS (Long term equity anticipation security). Leaps are a form of long term call options on the company. They are a leverage call on the medium to long term performance of the company. For sake of an example, lets assume that the stock price of company is Rs 88 / share. The company is highly leveraged and I feel that the company should do well in the next 1-2 years. I could (theortically speaking) buy a LEAP at 50 Rs/ share. If the company does well and the stock goes to 150 Rs/ share in two years, my gain would be 300%. The downside is that if the stock goes below the strike price, then I lose my money completely. LEAPS are thus a leveraged bet on the performance of a company. However, I think the indian market does not have LEAP securities yet.
Warrants provide an alternative route to put in a leveraged bet on the performance of the company. Warrants however have an advantage that their duration is much longer than options and LEAPS. The book has specific examples on recaps and all the other specific arbitrage options like spin-offs, arbitrage, and merger securities.
For all the previous posts on the book
Introduction
Bankruptcy and restructuring
Arbitrage and merger securities
Spin-offs
The stock after the recap is called as a stub and an investor can benefit from buying such stub stocks after the announcement of the recap. The reason for this is that the stub is a leveraged position on the stock. As the company has high amount of debt, the equity value is depressed due to high leverage. As the company pays off debt, the earnings grow rapidy. Also the multiple could expand at the same time due to reduction in the risk. As a result a small improvement in the debt level can result in a large improvement of the stock price.
Recaps are rare (and even rarer in the indian markets). As stubs via re-caps are rare, the same result can be achieved through LEAPS (Long term equity anticipation security). Leaps are a form of long term call options on the company. They are a leverage call on the medium to long term performance of the company. For sake of an example, lets assume that the stock price of company is Rs 88 / share. The company is highly leveraged and I feel that the company should do well in the next 1-2 years. I could (theortically speaking) buy a LEAP at 50 Rs/ share. If the company does well and the stock goes to 150 Rs/ share in two years, my gain would be 300%. The downside is that if the stock goes below the strike price, then I lose my money completely. LEAPS are thus a leveraged bet on the performance of a company. However, I think the indian market does not have LEAP securities yet.
Warrants provide an alternative route to put in a leveraged bet on the performance of the company. Warrants however have an advantage that their duration is much longer than options and LEAPS. The book has specific examples on recaps and all the other specific arbitrage options like spin-offs, arbitrage, and merger securities.
For all the previous posts on the book
Introduction
Bankruptcy and restructuring
Arbitrage and merger securities
Spin-offs
Thursday, April 19, 2007
Company analysis worksheet and valuation template
I have received several requests for my company level valuation template. Instead of responding individually to each of the request, I am posting it in the ‘My analysis worksheet section’ (see here)
The company level analysis worksheet is still a work in progress and I will keep uploading updated versions in the future. I use this worksheet as I detailed it here in an earlier post, for a detailed analysis of a company once it has passed through the basic filters.
I am also uploading the worksheet which I created for gujarat gas limited in 2003 (see here). I have since then, bought and liquidated my holding. I will upload more of such worksheets in the future.
In addition, I am also posting a quantitative worksheet. This worksheet has some quantitative analysis of the relationship between PE, ROC and Competitive advantage period. It has a similar analysis of the relationship between FCF (free cash flow), ROE and depreciation (see here)
The company level analysis worksheet is still a work in progress and I will keep uploading updated versions in the future. I use this worksheet as I detailed it here in an earlier post, for a detailed analysis of a company once it has passed through the basic filters.
I am also uploading the worksheet which I created for gujarat gas limited in 2003 (see here). I have since then, bought and liquidated my holding. I will upload more of such worksheets in the future.
In addition, I am also posting a quantitative worksheet. This worksheet has some quantitative analysis of the relationship between PE, ROC and Competitive advantage period. It has a similar analysis of the relationship between FCF (free cash flow), ROE and depreciation (see here)
Company analysis worksheet and valuation template
I have received several requests for my company level valuation template. Instead of responding individually to each of the request, I am posting it in the ‘My analysis worksheet section’ (see here)
The company level analysis worksheet is still a work in progress and I will keep uploading updated versions in the future. I use this worksheet as I detailed it here in an earlier post, for a detailed analysis of a company once it has passed through the basic filters.
I am also uploading the worksheet which I created for gujarat gas limited in 2003 (see here). I have since then, bought and liquidated my holding. I will upload more of such worksheets in the future.
In addition, I am also posting a quantitative worksheet. This worksheet has some quantitative analysis of the relationship between PE, ROC and Competitive advantage period. It has a similar analysis of the relationship between FCF (free cash flow), ROE and depreciation (see here)
The company level analysis worksheet is still a work in progress and I will keep uploading updated versions in the future. I use this worksheet as I detailed it here in an earlier post, for a detailed analysis of a company once it has passed through the basic filters.
I am also uploading the worksheet which I created for gujarat gas limited in 2003 (see here). I have since then, bought and liquidated my holding. I will upload more of such worksheets in the future.
In addition, I am also posting a quantitative worksheet. This worksheet has some quantitative analysis of the relationship between PE, ROC and Competitive advantage period. It has a similar analysis of the relationship between FCF (free cash flow), ROE and depreciation (see here)
Wednesday, April 18, 2007
You can be a stock market genius – Bankruptcy and restructuring
The next section of the book deals with how to profit from bankruptcy and restructuring. As in the other parts of the book, the author again emphasizes the point that an investor should ‘pick his spots’ within the bankruptcy arena.
It is rarely a good idea to purchase the stock in a company which has recently filed for bankruptcy. As the stock holders have the lowest claim when a company files for bankruptcy, usually they end up getting very little or almost nothing at the end of the bankruptcy proceedings.
One way to make money off bankruptcy is to invest in the debt securities of such a company which may be selling at 20-30 % of the face value. However this is a very specialized field which is best left to experts who specialize in this field.
The best way to profit from bankruptcy is to invest in the new common stock of the company which is issued after the completion of the bankruptcy proceedings. Since the stock is issued to the current creditors like banks or suppliers, they are rarely interested in holding the stock due to which there is a selling pressure after the new common stock is issued. This creates a situation similar to spinoffs. However it is critical that the investor analyses the company in detail before buying the common stock as random purchase of such stocks that have recently emerged from bankruptcy will rarely result in superior long term performance. There are several reasons for it. One reason is that most companies that have gone through bankruptcy were in diffcult or unattractive businesses to begin with and shedding debt obligations does not change the basic economics of the business ( think airlines). However if the investor does reasonable due diligence, then he would be able to find a few attractive opportunities which the underlying economics of the business is healthy.
The next area of opportunity is corporate re-structuring. If there is a major re-structuring of a company where a major division is spun off or if a losing business is sold off then such an event can create a profitable opportunity. After spinning off the weaker or money losing division, the resulting company is more profitable and focussed and may be given a higher multiple by the market. In addition the re-structuring can create a more focussed and efficient enterprise which may perform better in the future. Investing in the company after the re-structuring is over can be a profitable option.
Previous post on arbitrage
Previous post on spin-offs
It is rarely a good idea to purchase the stock in a company which has recently filed for bankruptcy. As the stock holders have the lowest claim when a company files for bankruptcy, usually they end up getting very little or almost nothing at the end of the bankruptcy proceedings.
One way to make money off bankruptcy is to invest in the debt securities of such a company which may be selling at 20-30 % of the face value. However this is a very specialized field which is best left to experts who specialize in this field.
The best way to profit from bankruptcy is to invest in the new common stock of the company which is issued after the completion of the bankruptcy proceedings. Since the stock is issued to the current creditors like banks or suppliers, they are rarely interested in holding the stock due to which there is a selling pressure after the new common stock is issued. This creates a situation similar to spinoffs. However it is critical that the investor analyses the company in detail before buying the common stock as random purchase of such stocks that have recently emerged from bankruptcy will rarely result in superior long term performance. There are several reasons for it. One reason is that most companies that have gone through bankruptcy were in diffcult or unattractive businesses to begin with and shedding debt obligations does not change the basic economics of the business ( think airlines). However if the investor does reasonable due diligence, then he would be able to find a few attractive opportunities which the underlying economics of the business is healthy.
The next area of opportunity is corporate re-structuring. If there is a major re-structuring of a company where a major division is spun off or if a losing business is sold off then such an event can create a profitable opportunity. After spinning off the weaker or money losing division, the resulting company is more profitable and focussed and may be given a higher multiple by the market. In addition the re-structuring can create a more focussed and efficient enterprise which may perform better in the future. Investing in the company after the re-structuring is over can be a profitable option.
Previous post on arbitrage
Previous post on spin-offs
You can be a stock market genius – Bankruptcy and restructuring
The next section of the book deals with how to profit from bankruptcy and restructuring. As in the other parts of the book, the author again emphasizes the point that an investor should ‘pick his spots’ within the bankruptcy arena.
It is rarely a good idea to purchase the stock in a company which has recently filed for bankruptcy. As the stock holders have the lowest claim when a company files for bankruptcy, usually they end up getting very little or almost nothing at the end of the bankruptcy proceedings.
One way to make money off bankruptcy is to invest in the debt securities of such a company which may be selling at 20-30 % of the face value. However this is a very specialized field which is best left to experts who specialize in this field.
The best way to profit from bankruptcy is to invest in the new common stock of the company which is issued after the completion of the bankruptcy proceedings. Since the stock is issued to the current creditors like banks or suppliers, they are rarely interested in holding the stock due to which there is a selling pressure after the new common stock is issued. This creates a situation similar to spinoffs. However it is critical that the investor analyses the company in detail before buying the common stock as random purchase of such stocks that have recently emerged from bankruptcy will rarely result in superior long term performance. There are several reasons for it. One reason is that most companies that have gone through bankruptcy were in diffcult or unattractive businesses to begin with and shedding debt obligations does not change the basic economics of the business ( think airlines). However if the investor does reasonable due diligence, then he would be able to find a few attractive opportunities which the underlying economics of the business is healthy.
The next area of opportunity is corporate re-structuring. If there is a major re-structuring of a company where a major division is spun off or if a losing business is sold off then such an event can create a profitable opportunity. After spinning off the weaker or money losing division, the resulting company is more profitable and focussed and may be given a higher multiple by the market. In addition the re-structuring can create a more focussed and efficient enterprise which may perform better in the future. Investing in the company after the re-structuring is over can be a profitable option.
Previous post on arbitrage
Previous post on spin-offs
It is rarely a good idea to purchase the stock in a company which has recently filed for bankruptcy. As the stock holders have the lowest claim when a company files for bankruptcy, usually they end up getting very little or almost nothing at the end of the bankruptcy proceedings.
One way to make money off bankruptcy is to invest in the debt securities of such a company which may be selling at 20-30 % of the face value. However this is a very specialized field which is best left to experts who specialize in this field.
The best way to profit from bankruptcy is to invest in the new common stock of the company which is issued after the completion of the bankruptcy proceedings. Since the stock is issued to the current creditors like banks or suppliers, they are rarely interested in holding the stock due to which there is a selling pressure after the new common stock is issued. This creates a situation similar to spinoffs. However it is critical that the investor analyses the company in detail before buying the common stock as random purchase of such stocks that have recently emerged from bankruptcy will rarely result in superior long term performance. There are several reasons for it. One reason is that most companies that have gone through bankruptcy were in diffcult or unattractive businesses to begin with and shedding debt obligations does not change the basic economics of the business ( think airlines). However if the investor does reasonable due diligence, then he would be able to find a few attractive opportunities which the underlying economics of the business is healthy.
The next area of opportunity is corporate re-structuring. If there is a major re-structuring of a company where a major division is spun off or if a losing business is sold off then such an event can create a profitable opportunity. After spinning off the weaker or money losing division, the resulting company is more profitable and focussed and may be given a higher multiple by the market. In addition the re-structuring can create a more focussed and efficient enterprise which may perform better in the future. Investing in the company after the re-structuring is over can be a profitable option.
Previous post on arbitrage
Previous post on spin-offs
Saturday, April 14, 2007
Why I avoid IPO’s
I have a very irrational reason (yes it is not a typo) for not investing in IPOs. My thinking is like this (A hypothetical tale)
I have a house and wish to sell it. Also I have a decent cash balance and I am no hurry to sell the house. I will sell the house if I can get a good price for it. Looking around I realise that my neighbour has just sold his house at a fantastic price. That tempts me into start looking for buyers and I approach a few brokers to test the market. The brokers are extremely bullish and tell me that this is a good time to sell and the market is hot !. I get all excited and invite a few brokers to come over and look at the house. A few brokers come over and have a look at the house. On inspecting the house, they notice a few problems in the house. The west side wall seems to be weak and roof needs repairing. They ask me to repair the roof and paint the walls so that the these ‘defects’ can be hidden. I go ahead and start the repairs and meanwhile the brokers are looking for buyers.
The broker meets the buyers and tells them that they have a great house on the market. The price for houses in that area have increased by 50% in the recent past and this house is a great deal. The buyer, all excited by the likely appreciation, comes over, looks at the house and agrees to buy it. A somewhat weak roof and wall goes un-noticed because the house is a great ‘investment’. Why bother checking!!
So the deal gets done and everyone is happy. I get a good price, the broker his commission and buyer gets the dream of price appreciation and hopes of profits in the future.
One year later, the RBI in all its wisdom raises the interest rates. The housing market starts slowing. Buyers are now more discerning. They are not buying to invest, but to stay. A house with a weak roof and wall is not a good place to stay. The buyer is finding it difficult to sell the house and has EMI to pay on top of that. Dejectedly he sells the house at a loss and resolves never to get sucked into such a scheme.
Ok, I am not an evil scheming guy :)
So now replace me with company, broker with merchant banker, buyer with investor and house with a company and you would get the point.
If I have only X no. of hours in a week to analyse stocks, why waste time looking for needles in an IPO haystack when I can find them more easily in the rest of the market (with full knowledge of all the problems and leaky roof !!)
I have a house and wish to sell it. Also I have a decent cash balance and I am no hurry to sell the house. I will sell the house if I can get a good price for it. Looking around I realise that my neighbour has just sold his house at a fantastic price. That tempts me into start looking for buyers and I approach a few brokers to test the market. The brokers are extremely bullish and tell me that this is a good time to sell and the market is hot !. I get all excited and invite a few brokers to come over and look at the house. A few brokers come over and have a look at the house. On inspecting the house, they notice a few problems in the house. The west side wall seems to be weak and roof needs repairing. They ask me to repair the roof and paint the walls so that the these ‘defects’ can be hidden. I go ahead and start the repairs and meanwhile the brokers are looking for buyers.
The broker meets the buyers and tells them that they have a great house on the market. The price for houses in that area have increased by 50% in the recent past and this house is a great deal. The buyer, all excited by the likely appreciation, comes over, looks at the house and agrees to buy it. A somewhat weak roof and wall goes un-noticed because the house is a great ‘investment’. Why bother checking!!
So the deal gets done and everyone is happy. I get a good price, the broker his commission and buyer gets the dream of price appreciation and hopes of profits in the future.
One year later, the RBI in all its wisdom raises the interest rates. The housing market starts slowing. Buyers are now more discerning. They are not buying to invest, but to stay. A house with a weak roof and wall is not a good place to stay. The buyer is finding it difficult to sell the house and has EMI to pay on top of that. Dejectedly he sells the house at a loss and resolves never to get sucked into such a scheme.
Ok, I am not an evil scheming guy :)
So now replace me with company, broker with merchant banker, buyer with investor and house with a company and you would get the point.
If I have only X no. of hours in a week to analyse stocks, why waste time looking for needles in an IPO haystack when I can find them more easily in the rest of the market (with full knowledge of all the problems and leaky roof !!)
Why I avoid IPO’s
I have a very irrational reason (yes it is not a typo) for not investing in IPOs. My thinking is like this (A hypothetical tale)
I have a house and wish to sell it. Also I have a decent cash balance and I am no hurry to sell the house. I will sell the house if I can get a good price for it. Looking around I realise that my neighbour has just sold his house at a fantastic price. That tempts me into start looking for buyers and I approach a few brokers to test the market. The brokers are extremely bullish and tell me that this is a good time to sell and the market is hot !. I get all excited and invite a few brokers to come over and look at the house. A few brokers come over and have a look at the house. On inspecting the house, they notice a few problems in the house. The west side wall seems to be weak and roof needs repairing. They ask me to repair the roof and paint the walls so that the these ‘defects’ can be hidden. I go ahead and start the repairs and meanwhile the brokers are looking for buyers.
The broker meets the buyers and tells them that they have a great house on the market. The price for houses in that area have increased by 50% in the recent past and this house is a great deal. The buyer, all excited by the likely appreciation, comes over, looks at the house and agrees to buy it. A somewhat weak roof and wall goes un-noticed because the house is a great ‘investment’. Why bother checking!!
So the deal gets done and everyone is happy. I get a good price, the broker his commission and buyer gets the dream of price appreciation and hopes of profits in the future.
One year later, the RBI in all its wisdom raises the interest rates. The housing market starts slowing. Buyers are now more discerning. They are not buying to invest, but to stay. A house with a weak roof and wall is not a good place to stay. The buyer is finding it difficult to sell the house and has EMI to pay on top of that. Dejectedly he sells the house at a loss and resolves never to get sucked into such a scheme.
Ok, I am not an evil scheming guy :)
So now replace me with company, broker with merchant banker, buyer with investor and house with a company and you would get the point.
If I have only X no. of hours in a week to analyse stocks, why waste time looking for needles in an IPO haystack when I can find them more easily in the rest of the market (with full knowledge of all the problems and leaky roof !!)
I have a house and wish to sell it. Also I have a decent cash balance and I am no hurry to sell the house. I will sell the house if I can get a good price for it. Looking around I realise that my neighbour has just sold his house at a fantastic price. That tempts me into start looking for buyers and I approach a few brokers to test the market. The brokers are extremely bullish and tell me that this is a good time to sell and the market is hot !. I get all excited and invite a few brokers to come over and look at the house. A few brokers come over and have a look at the house. On inspecting the house, they notice a few problems in the house. The west side wall seems to be weak and roof needs repairing. They ask me to repair the roof and paint the walls so that the these ‘defects’ can be hidden. I go ahead and start the repairs and meanwhile the brokers are looking for buyers.
The broker meets the buyers and tells them that they have a great house on the market. The price for houses in that area have increased by 50% in the recent past and this house is a great deal. The buyer, all excited by the likely appreciation, comes over, looks at the house and agrees to buy it. A somewhat weak roof and wall goes un-noticed because the house is a great ‘investment’. Why bother checking!!
So the deal gets done and everyone is happy. I get a good price, the broker his commission and buyer gets the dream of price appreciation and hopes of profits in the future.
One year later, the RBI in all its wisdom raises the interest rates. The housing market starts slowing. Buyers are now more discerning. They are not buying to invest, but to stay. A house with a weak roof and wall is not a good place to stay. The buyer is finding it difficult to sell the house and has EMI to pay on top of that. Dejectedly he sells the house at a loss and resolves never to get sucked into such a scheme.
Ok, I am not an evil scheming guy :)
So now replace me with company, broker with merchant banker, buyer with investor and house with a company and you would get the point.
If I have only X no. of hours in a week to analyse stocks, why waste time looking for needles in an IPO haystack when I can find them more easily in the rest of the market (with full knowledge of all the problems and leaky roof !!)
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Comments on the Post of Cheviot company
I received a few comments on my analysis of Cheviot company. Thought of posting it on the blog as they add to the analysis of the company.
Prem Sagar said...
Rohit,
Do you know what the mgmt intends to do with the huge investment portion?
from their last 5 yrs, I see no huge capex and I dont think the mgmt has any plans to invest huge sums into the same business to increase sales or to enter into new avenues to explore new possibilities. So as of now, the investment portion is just sitting on their books without any plan for it, but merely compounding it.
do you think they would do better if they disburse a part of it to shareholders or buy their own shares back?and the industry itself is struck severly by strikes and I can see several instances of strikes for this co alone. and the whole industry doesnt look enticing.
Assuming that the investments are discounted, would you be willing to buy such a co at 2 times?
4/11/2007 12:25:00 AM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi prem
very valid concerns. as far as strikes are concerned, i would not be too worried as the company has been able to manage the financial impact of such strikes in the past. unless the company has some very serious labor issues in the future which shuts down the plants for a very long time, i dont think these labor issues should harm the long term economics of the company
the capex needs of the company are low and hence i expect the cash to increase. i have seen no evidence of the management wasting the cash till date. they have given a bonus, decent dividends and seem to be accumulating cash. need to see how the cash gets used. buyback is unlikely as the no. of shares is low (0.45 crs).
cheviot is a graham play and a portfolio of such companies should do well ..although individually a few of them may do badly
4/11/2007 04:06:00 PM
khali_pili_lafda said...
Hi Rohit,
First off great effort on this blog. My observations on Cheviot are below.
1. Jute prices are on the decline on a global scale and may exert pressure on profit margins for Cheviot over the next few years given that export orientation of company has increased.
2. Historically the P/E has always been below 6. Cannot figure out why the markets are unwilling to give Cheviot credit for performance.
3. Company has a lot of cash on hand (Rs543M) with only 4.5M shares outstanding. May be diversifying into Tea - read this online? Saw a spike in Capex in 2003.
4. Labor issues have already been highlighted by you but given that Cheviot operates in West Bengal, labor laws and strikes can be particularly harmful and unpredictable.
5. With only 4.5M shares outstanding - it raises a liquidity red flag since trading may be controlled by a select syndicate. On Apr 12th only 485 shares changed hands although Mkt cap is over 100 crores.
Niraj
4/12/2007 02:35:00 PM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi niraj
great comments.my thoughts on the points raised by you
1. i also noticed that jute prices (raw material) is decreasing. i think that is a plus for the company as it improves the net margins for the company (the company sells valued added jute products)
2. i think the historical PE is low because of the various factors in your and prem's comment. small cap, illiquid stock in an unglamorous industry with labor issues
3. i am not sure that the company has diversified into tea. the 2003 increase in gross asset was a revaluation which was reversed in 2004. i checked this in annual report. the capex for last 5 years has been roughly equal to the depreciation
4.agree with you. however i feel that labor does not represent a threat to the long term economics of the company. it can cause short profits to suffer. although a serious labor trouble could impact my assumption. frankly it would be difficult to evaluate this risk objectively
5. this could be the reason for the low valuation
Prem Sagar said...
Rohit,
Do you know what the mgmt intends to do with the huge investment portion?
from their last 5 yrs, I see no huge capex and I dont think the mgmt has any plans to invest huge sums into the same business to increase sales or to enter into new avenues to explore new possibilities. So as of now, the investment portion is just sitting on their books without any plan for it, but merely compounding it.
do you think they would do better if they disburse a part of it to shareholders or buy their own shares back?and the industry itself is struck severly by strikes and I can see several instances of strikes for this co alone. and the whole industry doesnt look enticing.
Assuming that the investments are discounted, would you be willing to buy such a co at 2 times?
4/11/2007 12:25:00 AM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi prem
very valid concerns. as far as strikes are concerned, i would not be too worried as the company has been able to manage the financial impact of such strikes in the past. unless the company has some very serious labor issues in the future which shuts down the plants for a very long time, i dont think these labor issues should harm the long term economics of the company
the capex needs of the company are low and hence i expect the cash to increase. i have seen no evidence of the management wasting the cash till date. they have given a bonus, decent dividends and seem to be accumulating cash. need to see how the cash gets used. buyback is unlikely as the no. of shares is low (0.45 crs).
cheviot is a graham play and a portfolio of such companies should do well ..although individually a few of them may do badly
4/11/2007 04:06:00 PM
khali_pili_lafda said...
Hi Rohit,
First off great effort on this blog. My observations on Cheviot are below.
1. Jute prices are on the decline on a global scale and may exert pressure on profit margins for Cheviot over the next few years given that export orientation of company has increased.
2. Historically the P/E has always been below 6. Cannot figure out why the markets are unwilling to give Cheviot credit for performance.
3. Company has a lot of cash on hand (Rs543M) with only 4.5M shares outstanding. May be diversifying into Tea - read this online? Saw a spike in Capex in 2003.
4. Labor issues have already been highlighted by you but given that Cheviot operates in West Bengal, labor laws and strikes can be particularly harmful and unpredictable.
5. With only 4.5M shares outstanding - it raises a liquidity red flag since trading may be controlled by a select syndicate. On Apr 12th only 485 shares changed hands although Mkt cap is over 100 crores.
Niraj
4/12/2007 02:35:00 PM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi niraj
great comments.my thoughts on the points raised by you
1. i also noticed that jute prices (raw material) is decreasing. i think that is a plus for the company as it improves the net margins for the company (the company sells valued added jute products)
2. i think the historical PE is low because of the various factors in your and prem's comment. small cap, illiquid stock in an unglamorous industry with labor issues
3. i am not sure that the company has diversified into tea. the 2003 increase in gross asset was a revaluation which was reversed in 2004. i checked this in annual report. the capex for last 5 years has been roughly equal to the depreciation
4.agree with you. however i feel that labor does not represent a threat to the long term economics of the company. it can cause short profits to suffer. although a serious labor trouble could impact my assumption. frankly it would be difficult to evaluate this risk objectively
5. this could be the reason for the low valuation
Comments on the Post of Cheviot company
I received a few comments on my analysis of Cheviot company. Thought of posting it on the blog as they add to the analysis of the company.
Prem Sagar said...
Rohit,
Do you know what the mgmt intends to do with the huge investment portion?
from their last 5 yrs, I see no huge capex and I dont think the mgmt has any plans to invest huge sums into the same business to increase sales or to enter into new avenues to explore new possibilities. So as of now, the investment portion is just sitting on their books without any plan for it, but merely compounding it.
do you think they would do better if they disburse a part of it to shareholders or buy their own shares back?and the industry itself is struck severly by strikes and I can see several instances of strikes for this co alone. and the whole industry doesnt look enticing.
Assuming that the investments are discounted, would you be willing to buy such a co at 2 times?
4/11/2007 12:25:00 AM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi prem
very valid concerns. as far as strikes are concerned, i would not be too worried as the company has been able to manage the financial impact of such strikes in the past. unless the company has some very serious labor issues in the future which shuts down the plants for a very long time, i dont think these labor issues should harm the long term economics of the company
the capex needs of the company are low and hence i expect the cash to increase. i have seen no evidence of the management wasting the cash till date. they have given a bonus, decent dividends and seem to be accumulating cash. need to see how the cash gets used. buyback is unlikely as the no. of shares is low (0.45 crs).
cheviot is a graham play and a portfolio of such companies should do well ..although individually a few of them may do badly
4/11/2007 04:06:00 PM
khali_pili_lafda said...
Hi Rohit,
First off great effort on this blog. My observations on Cheviot are below.
1. Jute prices are on the decline on a global scale and may exert pressure on profit margins for Cheviot over the next few years given that export orientation of company has increased.
2. Historically the P/E has always been below 6. Cannot figure out why the markets are unwilling to give Cheviot credit for performance.
3. Company has a lot of cash on hand (Rs543M) with only 4.5M shares outstanding. May be diversifying into Tea - read this online? Saw a spike in Capex in 2003.
4. Labor issues have already been highlighted by you but given that Cheviot operates in West Bengal, labor laws and strikes can be particularly harmful and unpredictable.
5. With only 4.5M shares outstanding - it raises a liquidity red flag since trading may be controlled by a select syndicate. On Apr 12th only 485 shares changed hands although Mkt cap is over 100 crores.
Niraj
4/12/2007 02:35:00 PM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi niraj
great comments.my thoughts on the points raised by you
1. i also noticed that jute prices (raw material) is decreasing. i think that is a plus for the company as it improves the net margins for the company (the company sells valued added jute products)
2. i think the historical PE is low because of the various factors in your and prem's comment. small cap, illiquid stock in an unglamorous industry with labor issues
3. i am not sure that the company has diversified into tea. the 2003 increase in gross asset was a revaluation which was reversed in 2004. i checked this in annual report. the capex for last 5 years has been roughly equal to the depreciation
4.agree with you. however i feel that labor does not represent a threat to the long term economics of the company. it can cause short profits to suffer. although a serious labor trouble could impact my assumption. frankly it would be difficult to evaluate this risk objectively
5. this could be the reason for the low valuation
Prem Sagar said...
Rohit,
Do you know what the mgmt intends to do with the huge investment portion?
from their last 5 yrs, I see no huge capex and I dont think the mgmt has any plans to invest huge sums into the same business to increase sales or to enter into new avenues to explore new possibilities. So as of now, the investment portion is just sitting on their books without any plan for it, but merely compounding it.
do you think they would do better if they disburse a part of it to shareholders or buy their own shares back?and the industry itself is struck severly by strikes and I can see several instances of strikes for this co alone. and the whole industry doesnt look enticing.
Assuming that the investments are discounted, would you be willing to buy such a co at 2 times?
4/11/2007 12:25:00 AM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi prem
very valid concerns. as far as strikes are concerned, i would not be too worried as the company has been able to manage the financial impact of such strikes in the past. unless the company has some very serious labor issues in the future which shuts down the plants for a very long time, i dont think these labor issues should harm the long term economics of the company
the capex needs of the company are low and hence i expect the cash to increase. i have seen no evidence of the management wasting the cash till date. they have given a bonus, decent dividends and seem to be accumulating cash. need to see how the cash gets used. buyback is unlikely as the no. of shares is low (0.45 crs).
cheviot is a graham play and a portfolio of such companies should do well ..although individually a few of them may do badly
4/11/2007 04:06:00 PM
khali_pili_lafda said...
Hi Rohit,
First off great effort on this blog. My observations on Cheviot are below.
1. Jute prices are on the decline on a global scale and may exert pressure on profit margins for Cheviot over the next few years given that export orientation of company has increased.
2. Historically the P/E has always been below 6. Cannot figure out why the markets are unwilling to give Cheviot credit for performance.
3. Company has a lot of cash on hand (Rs543M) with only 4.5M shares outstanding. May be diversifying into Tea - read this online? Saw a spike in Capex in 2003.
4. Labor issues have already been highlighted by you but given that Cheviot operates in West Bengal, labor laws and strikes can be particularly harmful and unpredictable.
5. With only 4.5M shares outstanding - it raises a liquidity red flag since trading may be controlled by a select syndicate. On Apr 12th only 485 shares changed hands although Mkt cap is over 100 crores.
Niraj
4/12/2007 02:35:00 PM
Rohit Chauhan said...
Hi niraj
great comments.my thoughts on the points raised by you
1. i also noticed that jute prices (raw material) is decreasing. i think that is a plus for the company as it improves the net margins for the company (the company sells valued added jute products)
2. i think the historical PE is low because of the various factors in your and prem's comment. small cap, illiquid stock in an unglamorous industry with labor issues
3. i am not sure that the company has diversified into tea. the 2003 increase in gross asset was a revaluation which was reversed in 2004. i checked this in annual report. the capex for last 5 years has been roughly equal to the depreciation
4.agree with you. however i feel that labor does not represent a threat to the long term economics of the company. it can cause short profits to suffer. although a serious labor trouble could impact my assumption. frankly it would be difficult to evaluate this risk objectively
5. this could be the reason for the low valuation
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Priced for bankruptcy – Cheviot company
I am currently analysing Cheviot company (for company website see here).
The valuation is as follows
No. of shares outstanding – 0.45 Cr
Price per share – 228
Mcap – 103 Cr
Investment/ cash on book – 63 (last year)+ 10 Crs (this year) = 73 Crs
Net value = 103-73 = 30 Crs
Current year expected NP = 23 Crs
The company seems to be priced for 1-2 years earnings. The market seems to valuing the company with a horizon of 1-2 years and expects the company to be out of business after that !!.
Background
Cheviot company is a West bengal based company into the manufacture and sale of Jute based products. Almost 70% of the sale is export and the rest is domestic (Page 6 of Annual report).
The company has been in business for more than 100 years and is currently the most profitable in its industry (the jute industry as a whole is sick and incurring losses). The company has two manufacturing units, one at Budge budge and the other at Falta. The unit at Budge budge is having some labor trouble which may impact the Topline for the company.
Financials
The company has had a ROC of almost 20%+ for the last few years (if one excludes cash). The company has been consistently profitable and has good free cash flows ( equal to net profits).
In addition, although the volumes have come down, the company has moved up the value chain and has been able to improve realization for the end product (Raw material cost as % of Sales has been coming down over the years). The topline has increase with a CAGR of 6% for the last five years whereas the Net profit has increased by 15% CAGR over the same period.
The company has almost 73 Crs cash on book which has been invested in mutual funds and other liquid investment.
Risk
The indian government has made jute the mandatory packaging material for food grains and sugar to support the industry. In addition the government also provides marketing assistance for the export market which is received as a credit. Thus the industry is surviving based on this support from the government.
The company currently has labor unrest in one of its units which may impact the short term profitability. In addition, this industry is marked by labor issues and strikes.
Conclusion
In my view, the strike could impact the topline for a quarter or two, but it is not a long term risk. In addition, the company has been concentrating on the export market and as a result could continue to do well.
The market is currently discounting all the above issues and more and pricing the company for bankruptcy, which does not seem probable.
The valuation is as follows
No. of shares outstanding – 0.45 Cr
Price per share – 228
Mcap – 103 Cr
Investment/ cash on book – 63 (last year)+ 10 Crs (this year) = 73 Crs
Net value = 103-73 = 30 Crs
Current year expected NP = 23 Crs
The company seems to be priced for 1-2 years earnings. The market seems to valuing the company with a horizon of 1-2 years and expects the company to be out of business after that !!.
Background
Cheviot company is a West bengal based company into the manufacture and sale of Jute based products. Almost 70% of the sale is export and the rest is domestic (Page 6 of Annual report).
The company has been in business for more than 100 years and is currently the most profitable in its industry (the jute industry as a whole is sick and incurring losses). The company has two manufacturing units, one at Budge budge and the other at Falta. The unit at Budge budge is having some labor trouble which may impact the Topline for the company.
Financials
The company has had a ROC of almost 20%+ for the last few years (if one excludes cash). The company has been consistently profitable and has good free cash flows ( equal to net profits).
In addition, although the volumes have come down, the company has moved up the value chain and has been able to improve realization for the end product (Raw material cost as % of Sales has been coming down over the years). The topline has increase with a CAGR of 6% for the last five years whereas the Net profit has increased by 15% CAGR over the same period.
The company has almost 73 Crs cash on book which has been invested in mutual funds and other liquid investment.
Risk
The indian government has made jute the mandatory packaging material for food grains and sugar to support the industry. In addition the government also provides marketing assistance for the export market which is received as a credit. Thus the industry is surviving based on this support from the government.
The company currently has labor unrest in one of its units which may impact the short term profitability. In addition, this industry is marked by labor issues and strikes.
Conclusion
In my view, the strike could impact the topline for a quarter or two, but it is not a long term risk. In addition, the company has been concentrating on the export market and as a result could continue to do well.
The market is currently discounting all the above issues and more and pricing the company for bankruptcy, which does not seem probable.
Priced for bankruptcy – Cheviot company
I am currently analysing Cheviot company (for company website see here).
The valuation is as follows
No. of shares outstanding – 0.45 Cr
Price per share – 228
Mcap – 103 Cr
Investment/ cash on book – 63 (last year)+ 10 Crs (this year) = 73 Crs
Net value = 103-73 = 30 Crs
Current year expected NP = 23 Crs
The company seems to be priced for 1-2 years earnings. The market seems to valuing the company with a horizon of 1-2 years and expects the company to be out of business after that !!.
Background
Cheviot company is a West bengal based company into the manufacture and sale of Jute based products. Almost 70% of the sale is export and the rest is domestic (Page 6 of Annual report).
The company has been in business for more than 100 years and is currently the most profitable in its industry (the jute industry as a whole is sick and incurring losses). The company has two manufacturing units, one at Budge budge and the other at Falta. The unit at Budge budge is having some labor trouble which may impact the Topline for the company.
Financials
The company has had a ROC of almost 20%+ for the last few years (if one excludes cash). The company has been consistently profitable and has good free cash flows ( equal to net profits).
In addition, although the volumes have come down, the company has moved up the value chain and has been able to improve realization for the end product (Raw material cost as % of Sales has been coming down over the years). The topline has increase with a CAGR of 6% for the last five years whereas the Net profit has increased by 15% CAGR over the same period.
The company has almost 73 Crs cash on book which has been invested in mutual funds and other liquid investment.
Risk
The indian government has made jute the mandatory packaging material for food grains and sugar to support the industry. In addition the government also provides marketing assistance for the export market which is received as a credit. Thus the industry is surviving based on this support from the government.
The company currently has labor unrest in one of its units which may impact the short term profitability. In addition, this industry is marked by labor issues and strikes.
Conclusion
In my view, the strike could impact the topline for a quarter or two, but it is not a long term risk. In addition, the company has been concentrating on the export market and as a result could continue to do well.
The market is currently discounting all the above issues and more and pricing the company for bankruptcy, which does not seem probable.
The valuation is as follows
No. of shares outstanding – 0.45 Cr
Price per share – 228
Mcap – 103 Cr
Investment/ cash on book – 63 (last year)+ 10 Crs (this year) = 73 Crs
Net value = 103-73 = 30 Crs
Current year expected NP = 23 Crs
The company seems to be priced for 1-2 years earnings. The market seems to valuing the company with a horizon of 1-2 years and expects the company to be out of business after that !!.
Background
Cheviot company is a West bengal based company into the manufacture and sale of Jute based products. Almost 70% of the sale is export and the rest is domestic (Page 6 of Annual report).
The company has been in business for more than 100 years and is currently the most profitable in its industry (the jute industry as a whole is sick and incurring losses). The company has two manufacturing units, one at Budge budge and the other at Falta. The unit at Budge budge is having some labor trouble which may impact the Topline for the company.
Financials
The company has had a ROC of almost 20%+ for the last few years (if one excludes cash). The company has been consistently profitable and has good free cash flows ( equal to net profits).
In addition, although the volumes have come down, the company has moved up the value chain and has been able to improve realization for the end product (Raw material cost as % of Sales has been coming down over the years). The topline has increase with a CAGR of 6% for the last five years whereas the Net profit has increased by 15% CAGR over the same period.
The company has almost 73 Crs cash on book which has been invested in mutual funds and other liquid investment.
Risk
The indian government has made jute the mandatory packaging material for food grains and sugar to support the industry. In addition the government also provides marketing assistance for the export market which is received as a credit. Thus the industry is surviving based on this support from the government.
The company currently has labor unrest in one of its units which may impact the short term profitability. In addition, this industry is marked by labor issues and strikes.
Conclusion
In my view, the strike could impact the topline for a quarter or two, but it is not a long term risk. In addition, the company has been concentrating on the export market and as a result could continue to do well.
The market is currently discounting all the above issues and more and pricing the company for bankruptcy, which does not seem probable.
Sunday, April 08, 2007
A bi-polar market
I typically do not invest based on the market cap of companies. Though I have a cutoff of 100 crs for market cap when filtering for investment ideas, I do not give it anymore importance than that.
I have been reading a few articles that the midcap sector of the market seems to be performing poorly as compared to the index. As I hold several midcap stocks in my portfolio, I decided to check the validity of this view.
I checked on the performance of the midcap index and compared it with the nse nifty. Since april, the midcap index been in a bear market and has dropped by around 2-3% whereas the nse nifty is up 7-8 % (see under statistics section of the nse india website)
In addition, my stock filters seem to be turning up a few good ideas in the midcap space.
The above thought does not mean that I am planning to rush out and buy midcap stocks indiscriminately. However the small cap and midcap space is now a good place to look for new ideas
You can find are recent post on market breadth here on galatime.com
I have been reading a few articles that the midcap sector of the market seems to be performing poorly as compared to the index. As I hold several midcap stocks in my portfolio, I decided to check the validity of this view.
I checked on the performance of the midcap index and compared it with the nse nifty. Since april, the midcap index been in a bear market and has dropped by around 2-3% whereas the nse nifty is up 7-8 % (see under statistics section of the nse india website)
In addition, my stock filters seem to be turning up a few good ideas in the midcap space.
The above thought does not mean that I am planning to rush out and buy midcap stocks indiscriminately. However the small cap and midcap space is now a good place to look for new ideas
You can find are recent post on market breadth here on galatime.com
A bi-polar market
I typically do not invest based on the market cap of companies. Though I have a cutoff of 100 crs for market cap when filtering for investment ideas, I do not give it anymore importance than that.
I have been reading a few articles that the midcap sector of the market seems to be performing poorly as compared to the index. As I hold several midcap stocks in my portfolio, I decided to check the validity of this view.
I checked on the performance of the midcap index and compared it with the nse nifty. Since april, the midcap index been in a bear market and has dropped by around 2-3% whereas the nse nifty is up 7-8 % (see under statistics section of the nse india website)
In addition, my stock filters seem to be turning up a few good ideas in the midcap space.
The above thought does not mean that I am planning to rush out and buy midcap stocks indiscriminately. However the small cap and midcap space is now a good place to look for new ideas
You can find are recent post on market breadth here on galatime.com
I have been reading a few articles that the midcap sector of the market seems to be performing poorly as compared to the index. As I hold several midcap stocks in my portfolio, I decided to check the validity of this view.
I checked on the performance of the midcap index and compared it with the nse nifty. Since april, the midcap index been in a bear market and has dropped by around 2-3% whereas the nse nifty is up 7-8 % (see under statistics section of the nse india website)
In addition, my stock filters seem to be turning up a few good ideas in the midcap space.
The above thought does not mean that I am planning to rush out and buy midcap stocks indiscriminately. However the small cap and midcap space is now a good place to look for new ideas
You can find are recent post on market breadth here on galatime.com
Thursday, April 05, 2007
You can be a stock market genius – arbitrage and merger securities
The next topic in the book is on arbitrage and merger securities. Risk arbitrage is the purchase of stock in a business that is subject to an announced merger or takeover.
Risk arbitrage involves two kinds of risk. The first risk is event risk. The deal or merger may not go through due to various problems such regulatory issues, financial problems, unforseen events.
The second nature of risk is the timing risk. For ex: A company A announces the buyout of another company B. Company B trades at 200. The buyout offer is at a premium of 20%. As a result of the announcement, the stock rises to 230. This is still below the deal price of 240 and give rise to an arbitrage of 10 per share (4.3%). Now the time take for the deal to play out will have a big impact on the eventual returns. If the deal takes 2 months, the returns are 25%+. However if the deal takes a year, then the return falls to around 4% which is below the risk free rate.
Finally the area of risk arbitrage is now fairly competitive and the typical returns have come down over the years. As a result the risk/ reward equation is not compelling in several situations and hence the author advises that non-professional investors should stay away from this area of arbitrage
The next sub-topic is on merger securities. These are securities such as warrants, bonds, shares etc which are issued by the acquirer to pay for an acquisition. These securities, issued during the merger, may not really be desired by the large investors for various reasons (similar to the spin-offs). The reason could be the restrictions on the institutional investor such as a stock fund may not be allowed to hold bond securities issued during a merger. In addition some securities such as warrants may not be large enough for the large investors to get interested. Finally due to the various reasons, these securities are sold off without regard to the investment merits. As a result these securities can be purchased below their intrinsic value
Thus merger securities are similar to spin-offs and an investor who is able to do a certain amount of analysis and due-diligence may be able to profit from both the special events.
My thoughts : I have seen a few merger and acquisition announcements in the past. However these coporate events are not as frequent in the Indian market as compared to other foreign markets. Also the pricing in quite a few of these merger announcements is fairly efficient and these is little opportunity for a small investor to earn a good return (without leverage). However it is still a good area to investigate if one is interested in extra returns. A word of caution though – aribitrage of any kind requires continous effort and may not be too truly appropriate for a part time investor.
Risk arbitrage involves two kinds of risk. The first risk is event risk. The deal or merger may not go through due to various problems such regulatory issues, financial problems, unforseen events.
The second nature of risk is the timing risk. For ex: A company A announces the buyout of another company B. Company B trades at 200. The buyout offer is at a premium of 20%. As a result of the announcement, the stock rises to 230. This is still below the deal price of 240 and give rise to an arbitrage of 10 per share (4.3%). Now the time take for the deal to play out will have a big impact on the eventual returns. If the deal takes 2 months, the returns are 25%+. However if the deal takes a year, then the return falls to around 4% which is below the risk free rate.
Finally the area of risk arbitrage is now fairly competitive and the typical returns have come down over the years. As a result the risk/ reward equation is not compelling in several situations and hence the author advises that non-professional investors should stay away from this area of arbitrage
The next sub-topic is on merger securities. These are securities such as warrants, bonds, shares etc which are issued by the acquirer to pay for an acquisition. These securities, issued during the merger, may not really be desired by the large investors for various reasons (similar to the spin-offs). The reason could be the restrictions on the institutional investor such as a stock fund may not be allowed to hold bond securities issued during a merger. In addition some securities such as warrants may not be large enough for the large investors to get interested. Finally due to the various reasons, these securities are sold off without regard to the investment merits. As a result these securities can be purchased below their intrinsic value
Thus merger securities are similar to spin-offs and an investor who is able to do a certain amount of analysis and due-diligence may be able to profit from both the special events.
My thoughts : I have seen a few merger and acquisition announcements in the past. However these coporate events are not as frequent in the Indian market as compared to other foreign markets. Also the pricing in quite a few of these merger announcements is fairly efficient and these is little opportunity for a small investor to earn a good return (without leverage). However it is still a good area to investigate if one is interested in extra returns. A word of caution though – aribitrage of any kind requires continous effort and may not be too truly appropriate for a part time investor.
You can be a stock market genius – arbitrage and merger securities
The next topic in the book is on arbitrage and merger securities. Risk arbitrage is the purchase of stock in a business that is subject to an announced merger or takeover.
Risk arbitrage involves two kinds of risk. The first risk is event risk. The deal or merger may not go through due to various problems such regulatory issues, financial problems, unforseen events.
The second nature of risk is the timing risk. For ex: A company A announces the buyout of another company B. Company B trades at 200. The buyout offer is at a premium of 20%. As a result of the announcement, the stock rises to 230. This is still below the deal price of 240 and give rise to an arbitrage of 10 per share (4.3%). Now the time take for the deal to play out will have a big impact on the eventual returns. If the deal takes 2 months, the returns are 25%+. However if the deal takes a year, then the return falls to around 4% which is below the risk free rate.
Finally the area of risk arbitrage is now fairly competitive and the typical returns have come down over the years. As a result the risk/ reward equation is not compelling in several situations and hence the author advises that non-professional investors should stay away from this area of arbitrage
The next sub-topic is on merger securities. These are securities such as warrants, bonds, shares etc which are issued by the acquirer to pay for an acquisition. These securities, issued during the merger, may not really be desired by the large investors for various reasons (similar to the spin-offs). The reason could be the restrictions on the institutional investor such as a stock fund may not be allowed to hold bond securities issued during a merger. In addition some securities such as warrants may not be large enough for the large investors to get interested. Finally due to the various reasons, these securities are sold off without regard to the investment merits. As a result these securities can be purchased below their intrinsic value
Thus merger securities are similar to spin-offs and an investor who is able to do a certain amount of analysis and due-diligence may be able to profit from both the special events.
My thoughts : I have seen a few merger and acquisition announcements in the past. However these coporate events are not as frequent in the Indian market as compared to other foreign markets. Also the pricing in quite a few of these merger announcements is fairly efficient and these is little opportunity for a small investor to earn a good return (without leverage). However it is still a good area to investigate if one is interested in extra returns. A word of caution though – aribitrage of any kind requires continous effort and may not be too truly appropriate for a part time investor.
Risk arbitrage involves two kinds of risk. The first risk is event risk. The deal or merger may not go through due to various problems such regulatory issues, financial problems, unforseen events.
The second nature of risk is the timing risk. For ex: A company A announces the buyout of another company B. Company B trades at 200. The buyout offer is at a premium of 20%. As a result of the announcement, the stock rises to 230. This is still below the deal price of 240 and give rise to an arbitrage of 10 per share (4.3%). Now the time take for the deal to play out will have a big impact on the eventual returns. If the deal takes 2 months, the returns are 25%+. However if the deal takes a year, then the return falls to around 4% which is below the risk free rate.
Finally the area of risk arbitrage is now fairly competitive and the typical returns have come down over the years. As a result the risk/ reward equation is not compelling in several situations and hence the author advises that non-professional investors should stay away from this area of arbitrage
The next sub-topic is on merger securities. These are securities such as warrants, bonds, shares etc which are issued by the acquirer to pay for an acquisition. These securities, issued during the merger, may not really be desired by the large investors for various reasons (similar to the spin-offs). The reason could be the restrictions on the institutional investor such as a stock fund may not be allowed to hold bond securities issued during a merger. In addition some securities such as warrants may not be large enough for the large investors to get interested. Finally due to the various reasons, these securities are sold off without regard to the investment merits. As a result these securities can be purchased below their intrinsic value
Thus merger securities are similar to spin-offs and an investor who is able to do a certain amount of analysis and due-diligence may be able to profit from both the special events.
My thoughts : I have seen a few merger and acquisition announcements in the past. However these coporate events are not as frequent in the Indian market as compared to other foreign markets. Also the pricing in quite a few of these merger announcements is fairly efficient and these is little opportunity for a small investor to earn a good return (without leverage). However it is still a good area to investigate if one is interested in extra returns. A word of caution though – aribitrage of any kind requires continous effort and may not be too truly appropriate for a part time investor.
Monday, April 02, 2007
Wisdom of the crowds
There is a new article by michael mauboussin on wisdom of the crowds (see here). There is also a book on the same topic which I read earlier (see here). Website of the book’s author here.
The key take-away for me from the article and book has been as follows
1. The crowd is usually smarter than an individual. This means that one should discount what the experts are saying (most of the times). One should not waste time in heeding to their forecasts. It makes sense to read the insights of investment masters or good investors. One can learn from that, but stay away from forecast (especially short term) by the so called experts. Most of the personal finance websites is full of this junk. I consider it mostly as noise
2. The crowd (market) is right most of the time. What that means is that the valuation of most of the companies is right. It is not always right, but most of the time it is right. As a result if I think that the stock is undervalued and a good buy, I try to analyse my assumptions in depth and check my variant perception in more detail to be sure that I have got it right and market is wrong on it. Almost 90-95 % of times I have found that the market is right and my edge is limted to 5-10 % of the cases.
3. Be humble – One should always have a growth mindset and learn from the market and others.
4. Even if individual investors are not extremely smart, the market as a whole is smarter than the smartest individuals ( see the article and book on how this is true)
5. There are a few situations (bubbles and crashes) when the diversity and collective wisdom breaks down. In such situations, it makes sense to diverge in your thinking from the market and not be swept by the euophoria or pessimism. For ex : the dotcom boom of 2000
I would recommend reading the article and the book as it would be a great addition to one’s mental models.
Disclosure : I have no financial interest in anyone buying ,borrrowing or stealing the book. Unlike stocks, I am always happy to recommend books as there is a limited downside to these recommendations
The key take-away for me from the article and book has been as follows
1. The crowd is usually smarter than an individual. This means that one should discount what the experts are saying (most of the times). One should not waste time in heeding to their forecasts. It makes sense to read the insights of investment masters or good investors. One can learn from that, but stay away from forecast (especially short term) by the so called experts. Most of the personal finance websites is full of this junk. I consider it mostly as noise
2. The crowd (market) is right most of the time. What that means is that the valuation of most of the companies is right. It is not always right, but most of the time it is right. As a result if I think that the stock is undervalued and a good buy, I try to analyse my assumptions in depth and check my variant perception in more detail to be sure that I have got it right and market is wrong on it. Almost 90-95 % of times I have found that the market is right and my edge is limted to 5-10 % of the cases.
3. Be humble – One should always have a growth mindset and learn from the market and others.
4. Even if individual investors are not extremely smart, the market as a whole is smarter than the smartest individuals ( see the article and book on how this is true)
5. There are a few situations (bubbles and crashes) when the diversity and collective wisdom breaks down. In such situations, it makes sense to diverge in your thinking from the market and not be swept by the euophoria or pessimism. For ex : the dotcom boom of 2000
I would recommend reading the article and the book as it would be a great addition to one’s mental models.
Disclosure : I have no financial interest in anyone buying ,borrrowing or stealing the book. Unlike stocks, I am always happy to recommend books as there is a limited downside to these recommendations
Wisdom of the crowds
There is a new article by michael mauboussin on wisdom of the crowds (see here). There is also a book on the same topic which I read earlier (see here). Website of the book’s author here.
The key take-away for me from the article and book has been as follows
1. The crowd is usually smarter than an individual. This means that one should discount what the experts are saying (most of the times). One should not waste time in heeding to their forecasts. It makes sense to read the insights of investment masters or good investors. One can learn from that, but stay away from forecast (especially short term) by the so called experts. Most of the personal finance websites is full of this junk. I consider it mostly as noise
2. The crowd (market) is right most of the time. What that means is that the valuation of most of the companies is right. It is not always right, but most of the time it is right. As a result if I think that the stock is undervalued and a good buy, I try to analyse my assumptions in depth and check my variant perception in more detail to be sure that I have got it right and market is wrong on it. Almost 90-95 % of times I have found that the market is right and my edge is limted to 5-10 % of the cases.
3. Be humble – One should always have a growth mindset and learn from the market and others.
4. Even if individual investors are not extremely smart, the market as a whole is smarter than the smartest individuals ( see the article and book on how this is true)
5. There are a few situations (bubbles and crashes) when the diversity and collective wisdom breaks down. In such situations, it makes sense to diverge in your thinking from the market and not be swept by the euophoria or pessimism. For ex : the dotcom boom of 2000
I would recommend reading the article and the book as it would be a great addition to one’s mental models.
Disclosure : I have no financial interest in anyone buying ,borrrowing or stealing the book. Unlike stocks, I am always happy to recommend books as there is a limited downside to these recommendations
The key take-away for me from the article and book has been as follows
1. The crowd is usually smarter than an individual. This means that one should discount what the experts are saying (most of the times). One should not waste time in heeding to their forecasts. It makes sense to read the insights of investment masters or good investors. One can learn from that, but stay away from forecast (especially short term) by the so called experts. Most of the personal finance websites is full of this junk. I consider it mostly as noise
2. The crowd (market) is right most of the time. What that means is that the valuation of most of the companies is right. It is not always right, but most of the time it is right. As a result if I think that the stock is undervalued and a good buy, I try to analyse my assumptions in depth and check my variant perception in more detail to be sure that I have got it right and market is wrong on it. Almost 90-95 % of times I have found that the market is right and my edge is limted to 5-10 % of the cases.
3. Be humble – One should always have a growth mindset and learn from the market and others.
4. Even if individual investors are not extremely smart, the market as a whole is smarter than the smartest individuals ( see the article and book on how this is true)
5. There are a few situations (bubbles and crashes) when the diversity and collective wisdom breaks down. In such situations, it makes sense to diverge in your thinking from the market and not be swept by the euophoria or pessimism. For ex : the dotcom boom of 2000
I would recommend reading the article and the book as it would be a great addition to one’s mental models.
Disclosure : I have no financial interest in anyone buying ,borrrowing or stealing the book. Unlike stocks, I am always happy to recommend books as there is a limited downside to these recommendations
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